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Post by wallace on Jul 30, 2008 13:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by belgrade on Jul 30, 2008 13:58:28 GMT -5
Yes it is and I have just sent an email to ALJ Application Desk that I want to change my geographic availability to any of 150-something places they listed. Previosuly i had less than 30 and more than a half were never the ones they were hiring so far (since 10/07). Of course, I am on that register... Just as a note, I have been monitoring this forum since its inception but I never registered - sorry - however, I felt somehow that it is time to do so. Good luck to new applicants, old ones who didn't make the register last time for whatever reason, and all of us who did but pretty much for nothing and will face new competition in the months to come!
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Post by atlantis on Jul 30, 2008 15:27:02 GMT -5
I was one of the one's with the bar number snafu. Not this time. Successfully uploaded all information with bar number all over the documents in all the right places.
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Post by diva on Jul 30, 2008 16:12:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know if you can reapply if you are already on this register?
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Post by belgrade on Jul 30, 2008 16:27:52 GMT -5
No, you can't, Diva. Read the announcement. The only thing you can do is to change where would you like to serve, reduce or expand. You are stuck with your score. Me too. And I am sure, many, many more.
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Post by notherapp on Jul 30, 2008 21:02:33 GMT -5
I am reminded of the situation where you get your iced tea just right, drink half, and the helpful waiter fills it back up - thereby ruining the mix. Although I suppose that there were locations which no longer had at least three applicants, even that scenario is unlikely in light of the number of applicants who listed every location -- even those most of us would consider G*d-forsaken. Hence, the reopening of the process appears to confirm what many suspected all along: that these selections were predetermined and that there were "ringers" who, for whatever reason, either did not apply in time last time or had some sort of error (such as a missing bar number). I did not gripe about this before because one had, at best, a one-in-three chance, and therefore one's nonselection did not mean that the process was unfair. But with more than 400 still on the register, and the new posting reaffirming that the "vacancy announcement is being reopened so that the current ALJ register can be refreshed with additional qualified applicants," it appears that those of us remaining on the Register are qualified. To the extent that the previous hires from the Register "skimmed" the higher graded applicants, OPM will now "refresh" the register with additional higher graded applicants, and those of us with fair-to-midlin scores (and disabled from increasing those scores because less than a year has elapsed) will again find numerous applicants ahead of us on the Register. The process is now clearly a sham, unless OPM has been informed by SSA that it intends to hire several hundred more ALJs and hence, the 400 hundred remaining is an inadequate pool of candidates.
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Post by pm on Jul 30, 2008 21:08:25 GMT -5
Why is the process a sham? The process has always favored applicants with higher scores. That's the point of having a competetive process.
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Post by lawandorder on Jul 31, 2008 9:41:00 GMT -5
Yes it is and I have just sent an email to ALJ Application Desk that I want to change my geographic availability to any of 150-something places they listed. quote]
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Post by lawandorder on Jul 31, 2008 9:47:43 GMT -5
What I meant to say is that choosing availability for all of the 150 locations can be risky unless someone really wants an ALJ position anywhere from Montana to Alaska to Honolulu to PR. My concern is that after rejecting two offers (which could be rejected due to locations not really wanted) you are basically out of the picture.
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Post by belgrade on Jul 31, 2008 10:14:03 GMT -5
That is certainly a possibility but not a high probability. I can see the first offer being for a place that one would never accept for whatever reason but it's not nearly as likely, from the standpoint of theory of probability, to have that with the second one as well. Now, I admit, Murphy's law would say opposite. On the other hand, yes, I personally know at least one person who would not go out of her town pretty much to any other place due to family reasons and that reduces chances to get hired drastically. And don't get me wrong, IMHO that's a legitimate reason for picking a very limited number of places to serve. My logic is different. Not that I would like to serve absolutely anywhere. I don't want that badly to be an ALJ. But I made a mistake first time around not choosing that option (and and all cities, so to speak), as every sitting ALJ told me afterwards, and now I corrected it. If they offer me a place to serve that I wouldn't accept for anything I will tell them no. If they offer me a place I am not really happy about it I will aceept and do "time" (at least 2 years) as almost every ALJ I know had to before got transferred where s/he wanted to be in the first place. Again, I am aware this will not work for everyone, maybe not even most, but having no opportunity to reapply (and retest/rescore) at this time, what else could I do? Obviously whatever score I got and places I picked didn't work so far and with more new names and scores on the register fairly soon it is clear to me it would be definitively an end to expectations to be an ALJ. Something had to be done and this is the only thing that I could do. Whether it will pay off well, that is to be seen. Quite possibly it will not. But at least I feel I tried.
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Post by privateatty on Jul 31, 2008 11:10:09 GMT -5
Does anyone know if you can reapply if you are already on this register? As already noted, are you a 10 point Vet?
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Post by Propmaster on Jul 31, 2008 12:54:44 GMT -5
I too made sure to get my geographic changes in first day - it appears when the application closes, the time to change your locations also closes for those on the list.
I have added a lot more places to my availability, but still picked only about 2/3 of the available. I was rushing so much when doing the application, I only picked places I was sure I would want to go. I didn't even know where half of these cities were. After reviewing, and seeing which were next to other cities I was interested in, etc., I have been able to expand my list realistically. (It helps that I am unmarried and have no kids).
Is anyone else expecting the application to close today? 1250 took about four or five days last time, didn't it? And people were less prepared and a weekend was involved.
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Post by oldjag on Jul 31, 2008 12:56:34 GMT -5
It is a very difficult balance between expanding your number of cities and not wanting to go there. I have known several judges who where miserable and did not get a transfer until well after two years, and some not at all. It makes you miserable, and your fellow judges, staff and the HOCJ really vexed having to listen to someone who accepted a location start carping how bad a place it is etc. Remember the rest of the people in the office live there, some for years, and we don't really want to hear outsiders put down our home. As for a pre-determined hiring process--I just wish it was. There are several excellent candidates who would make excellent judges who are willing to come and stay in my office (not one of the super desirable locations) that ODAR simply cannot reach as much as they may want. So the bottom line--pay your money and take your choice. If you are offered a place and go there, remember Christ hung on the cross so you don't have to. Suck it up and remember that the mind is a powerful thing; it can make a heaven out of hell as well as a hell out of heaven. Good luck to all of you.
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Post by chieftain on Jul 31, 2008 16:05:30 GMT -5
Any thoughts on when the amended geographical preferences would go into effect? I should expect that it would be no later than 13 August, the day that the listing "officially" closes.
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Post by vietnamveteran on Aug 1, 2008 5:02:00 GMT -5
It looks to me like the application period closed last night.
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Post by Pixie on Aug 1, 2008 16:56:10 GMT -5
Any thoughts on when the amended geographical preferences would go into effect? I should expect that it would be no later than 13 August, the day that the listing "officially" closes. The exact date doesn't really matter. What is important is that the amended locations will be in effect for the next certificate, whenever that will be. Pix.
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Post by notajudgeyet on Aug 1, 2008 17:12:13 GMT -5
I suspect you are correct Pixie, but there is a chance that OPM may not put the new locations into effect until the new register is released. Someone did ask them for the effective date and they have not yet replied.
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Post by odarite on Aug 2, 2008 5:08:26 GMT -5
But since SSA is extremely unlikely to request a cert before OPM completes "refreshing" the register, the point is moot, and I would listen to Pix. Rinse, repeat.
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Post by morgullord on Aug 2, 2008 6:44:46 GMT -5
I received an e-mail from OPM Thursday afternoon telling me that my record had been changed to reflect the geographic changes I had submitted. I assume that those changes are now in effect.
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Post by pm on Aug 2, 2008 14:29:50 GMT -5
But since SSA is extremely unlikely to request a cert before OPM completes "refreshing" the register, the point is moot, and I would listen to Pix. Rinse, repeat. SSA is not the only game in town, but thanks to Morgullord for clearing it up
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