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Post by tricia on Mar 19, 2012 14:02:31 GMT -5
Until Milo brought it up, I hadn't thought of the fact that it was OPM, not SS that made up the new cert. So are we assuming that SS said, oh by the way, for the new cert, don't put these people on it, we three-struck them? So if SS wanted to consider some of those people for the new, hypothetically fall cert from this register, how would that work?
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 19, 2012 14:31:07 GMT -5
I think they can do whatever they want IF there is another cert from this register, and look at the three strikers again if they choose. Info I've heard recently from inside indicates that September hire info is in error. Two classes from this cert, May and June. I personally would bet against another cert from this register.
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Post by grassgreener on Mar 19, 2012 21:51:31 GMT -5
Info I've heard recently from inside indicates that September hire info is in error. Two classes from this cert, May and June. I personally would bet against another cert from this register. If a May class is accurate, what's the best guesstimate on when offers will start?
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Post by judicature on Mar 19, 2012 23:08:47 GMT -5
April.
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Post by usnjudge on Mar 19, 2012 23:26:41 GMT -5
Yikes...May and June. Personally I take that as good information. My intuition is pointing me to believe that this summer is my best shot at becoming an ALJ....and I would rather not wait the whole summer sitting on pins and needles if the second group is in my future. Thanks Observer.
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Post by grassgreener on Mar 20, 2012 3:30:00 GMT -5
I assumed April - are we thinking second half, say after April 16th? Anyone know when the last interview is?
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Post by agilitymom on Mar 20, 2012 5:41:51 GMT -5
I believe the last interviews are Thursday. Is anyone aware of interviews scheduled after the 22nd?
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Post by goldenticket on Mar 20, 2012 8:35:11 GMT -5
My interviewers told me, when I asked, that hiring decisions would be made mid-April, offers would go out the end of April and there would be 2 training classes. The first training class will start the end of May and the second training class will start the end of June.
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Post by jonmom on Mar 20, 2012 11:25:27 GMT -5
goldenticket,
thanks for the information, and if I'm not mistaken, those who get the offer in April will be informed which of the two classes they'll be in, right?
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 20, 2012 11:49:16 GMT -5
That's been the case, you don't get to choose. Your start date will determine which class you are in.
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Post by roggenbier on Mar 26, 2012 15:40:24 GMT -5
Like St. Thomas A Becket, I suspect SSA thinks they are rid of we troublesome three strikers. However, I also suspect that if Mr. Obama does not win re-election, a new register will be years in the making. In that circumstance, perhaps they, like Henry II, will have to do penance. If not, I'll apply again.
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Post by Who Me? on Oct 30, 2014 17:17:00 GMT -5
I've been trying to understand the 3 struck process and have been searching the Board for as much info as possible. As a result, I see some conflicting, if not very clear, info as to what constitutes being "considered" by SSA.
Does "considered" mean being one of the top 3 candidates on a cert? So, under this scenario, if the candidate was one of the top 3 on three or more GAL certs and didn't get hired; they could be 3 struck?
Does just being on a cert, and not one of the top 3, constitute being "considered" by SSA? So, if you have a wide GAL, you might be on 20 certs and not get hired. Can SSA 3 strike you?
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Post by hopefalj on Oct 30, 2014 17:51:26 GMT -5
I've been trying to understand the 3 struck process and have been searching the Board for as much info as possible. As a result, I see some conflicting, if not very clear, info as to what constitutes being "considered" by SSA. Does "considered" mean being one of the top 3 candidates on a cert? So, under this scenario, if the candidate was one of the top 3 on three or more GAL certs and didn't get hired; they could be 3 struck? Does just being on a cert, and not one of the top 3, constitute being "considered" by SSA? So, if you have a wide GAL, you might be on 20 certs and not get hired. Can SSA 3 strike you? SSA can only consider the three highest scores for a city, and in the current case, that is the top three scores remaining on an individual cert. If you are in the top three on a cert and another candidate it chosen over you and the third person, then you would have a strike. You must be given bona fide consideration for employment, meaning you have to make it into the top 3 scores to even potentially receive a strike.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Oct 30, 2014 18:06:18 GMT -5
And it is historically the discretion of the agency to enforce the 3 strike rule. This has been discussed at great length in many threads through the years. What we do not know is what effect this will have on the new process since there is a separate cert for each city.
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Post by Who Me? on Oct 30, 2014 18:11:43 GMT -5
Thanks, Hopefalj.
I have a friend who got hired on the 1st cert. This person (wide open GAL) was initially given a list of X number of locations. Later he/she received another email increasing the number of potential locations and he/she was asked to rank the new list. So it sounds like the cert for a particular GAL is changing as people on that cert accept offers for other cities and their names are removed from that GAL cert.
Back to the original question. Sounds like SSA can hire someone on the cert who is not one of the top three. If that's the case, then all 3 of the top runners could get a strike.
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Post by Who Me? on Oct 30, 2014 18:17:59 GMT -5
And it is historically the discretion of the agency to enforce the 3 strike rule. This has been discussed at great length in many threads through the years. What we do not know is what effect this will have on the new process since there is a separate cert for each city. Thanks, Sratty. I was aware that the policy is discretionary.
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Post by Missundaztood on Oct 30, 2014 18:53:55 GMT -5
Thanks, Hopefalj. I have a friend who got hired on the 1st cert. This person (wide open GAL) was initially given a list of X number of locations. Later he/she received another email increasing the number of potential locations and he/she was asked to rank the new list. So it sounds like the cert for a particular GAL is changing as people on that cert accept offers for other cities and their names are removed from that GAL cert. Back to the original question. Sounds like SSA can hire someone on the cert who is not one of the top three. If that's the case, then all 3 of the top runners could get a strike. The supplemental email came shortly after folks ranked their first list and presumably additional names were added because folks declined locations on their first list. I believe the supplemental emails were received before interviews but definitely it was well before the first offer was made. (In the case of Medicare, however, I believe it added names after offers were extended and some declined because folks chose SSA.)
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Post by Who Me? on Oct 30, 2014 19:17:24 GMT -5
Thanks, Missu
Since I am new to this entire process, I'm trying to learn the ropes and how the system works. From my friend, the first list contained less than 10 offices and the revised email was about 3 times the original. Makes me wonder why you would initially select a GAL that you never had any intention of accepting. With all the competition for these vacancies; why would you decline an office when you could request a transfer later? Of course, there is also the potential of switching to another federal agency that only hires current or former federal ALJs. My point being, why go through the entire testing process if you truly don't want to be an ALJ? Reminds me of some folks I know who applied for law school only to decide, after acceptance, that they really didn't want to be an attorney. So, these folks aced out another applicant who might have been a great attorney/judge. Go figure.
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Post by Missundaztood on Oct 30, 2014 20:22:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Missu Since I am new to this entire process, I'm trying to learn the ropes and how the system works. From my friend, the first list contained less than 10 offices and the revised email was about 3 times the original. Makes me wonder why you would initially select a GAL that you never had any intention of accepting. With all the competition for these vacancies; why would you decline an office when you could request a transfer later? Of course, there is also the potential of switching to another federal agency that only hires current or former federal ALJs. My point being, why go through the entire testing process if you truly don't want to be an ALJ? Reminds me of some folks I know who applied for law school only to decide, after acceptance, that they really didn't want to be an attorney. So, these folks aced out another applicant who might have been a great attorney/judge. Go figure. We have heard reports from folks whose circumstances changed dramatically since picking their original GAL and while a transfer is possible, it is not guaranteed and can take a long time. For example, family health issues requiring particular treatment facilities. It is a long process and much can change... I think it is better to decline once you get your list instead of after an offer, if possible, because as I understand it, there are consequences to declining offers.
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Post by hopefalj on Oct 30, 2014 21:10:09 GMT -5
Back to the original question. Sounds like SSA can hire someone on the cert who is not one of the top three. If that's the case, then all 3 of the top runners could get a strike. No, they can't. Unless you mean in the grand scheme of things. For instance, let's say a Las Vegas cert has the following names with the associated scores... Abe 80 Bill 79 Carl 77 David 76 Ernie 73 Frank 68 IF SSA hires off this cert first and before making any other hires, then it must hire one of Abe, Bill, or Carl. It cannot hire David, Ernie, or Frank at that time because they are not in the top three scores for that location. Now, if SSA hires Carl for the Denver office before hiring for Las Vegas, the top three become Abe, Bill, and David since Carl is no longer available. It can choose David over Abe or Bill (subject to vet preference rules--but let's not worry about that just yet), but it cannot hire Ernie or Frank because they are not in the top three.
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