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Post by Who Me? on Oct 30, 2014 23:15:23 GMT -5
Thanks, Guys. That's exactly what I had in mind as to overlooking the top 3. SSA, more or less, has a way to decide whom they want and factor in the variables to hire particular, or less than desirable, candidates. Hmmn!
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Post by futuressaalj on Oct 30, 2014 23:17:12 GMT -5
And if Abe showed up to SSA interview in shorts and flip flops, Bill invoked his 5th amendment right against self-incrimination, and Carl had a panic attack and left, then what? SSA, in giving all 3 "not recommended" is precluded from hiring for this city unless they can 3 strike them elsewhere first? And if that is not possible (limited GAL), an Agency is potentially forced to not hire where there is a need? There has to be a way around this. Let us stay in reality. The testing process would already have weeded out these guys who appear to be either criminals or out on a daily pass from the mental institution. The question really is whether folks have a decent agency interview or not. And for the agency to pick the best candidate out of the top three for the location they are hiring for. |
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Post by Who Me? on Oct 30, 2014 23:29:42 GMT -5
With 800 or so on the register, does really OPM or SSA really weed out those persons on the register? Perhaps at SSA's interviews? Maybe at the SSA interview stage after the cert has been cited. Ideally, this would have been in an earlier stage; but who knows?
I don't know the process, but I suspect some sort of background check checks would be performed before a person was placed on the cert. Maybe, I'm just being naive since I a have at least several recent security clearances.
As well as multiple single finger checks recently. Not a high risk candidate.
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Post by gary on Oct 30, 2014 23:48:28 GMT -5
With 800 or so on the register, does really OPM or SSA really weed out those persons on the register? Perhaps at SSA's interviews? Maybe at the SSA interview stage after the cert has been cited. Ideally, this would have occurrerd in an earlier stage; but who knows? OPM will have given SSA a list of eligibles for each city on the certs. Those lists will include those on the register whose NORs and GALs make them reachable on the certs on which they appear. There will be lots of overlap on the lists. For example, reports were that for the first set of certs SSA certed for 90 slots in 45 cities and the lists of eligibles (initially at least) included only 158 separate names. SSA can only hire someone in a top 3, but can hire for the slots in whatever order they choose. This selection of the order in which the slots are filled and the use of their authority not to consider for a position someone who has previously been considered three times gives SSA a substantial amount of flexibility in hiring. But that flexibility is far from unlimited. |
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Post by Who Me? on Oct 31, 2014 0:11:01 GMT -5
Gary
If I understand your post, SSA is required, if not mandated to hire one of the top three scores on any cert. How does any one decide if they were one of the passed over the top 3? Can't SSA find reasons not to consider the top three and offer below the cert?
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Post by gary on Oct 31, 2014 0:25:39 GMT -5
Gary If I understand your post, SSA is required, if not mandated to hire one of the top three scores on any cert. How does any one decide if they were one of the passed over the top 3? Can't SSA find reasons not to consider the top three and offer below the cert? I know of no way for a candidate to determine he/she was considered in a top 3 from which someone else was hired. Maybe someone else knows a way. If someone in a top 3 is hired by another agency or removes themselves from the location in question or from the register they will not need to be considered. More to the point of your question, if SSA has a basis (these bases are very limited) it can object to the qualifications of a candidate. SSA may be able to get past a top 3 it didn't like by working the system. If the GALs and scores of candidates permit, SSA can get around a top 3 in a location by getting at least one of them three considerations for other locations. Finally, if there is no way to get around the undesirable three and they are totally unacceptable, SSA need not hire for the slot on the current round of certs and can hope to get past it on a later set of certs. |
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Post by bartleby on Oct 31, 2014 17:35:49 GMT -5
If a person has a "not recommended" from their SSA interview, they will not make a Cert. They will still be on the Register and depending on circumstances may be looked at again later. The only way to see if one was passed over or three-struck is to file a FOIA request. I believe Bob Ghelkin has on occasion told someone that they have been three-struck when directly asked. Background checks are not completed until after a candidate is hired, usually months later. One may be removed from a position if the investigation turns up something. They want to know all about ex-wives, child support, and a good explanation for every time you have been in and out of the country. (And they already know about that Tijuana thing..)
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Post by JudgeRatty on Oct 31, 2014 19:16:24 GMT -5
If a person has a "not recommended" from their SSA interview, they will not make a Cert. They will still be on the Register and depending on circumstances may be looked at again later. The only way to see if one was passed over or three-struck is to file a FOIA request. I believe Bob Ghelkin has on occasion told someone that they have been three-struck when directly asked. Background checks are not completed until after a candidate is hired, usually months later. One may be removed from a position if the investigation turns up something. They want to know all about ex-wives, child support, and a good explanation for every time you have been in and out of the country. (And they already know about that Tijuana thing..) Wait... You have to be ON a cert to get an SSA interview right? |
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Post by bartleby on Oct 31, 2014 19:48:12 GMT -5
Well, I guess you can say that, but you won't make the cut for selection. Thinking back, I do believe they can use you for fodder to fill one of the slots for three-struck.. It's been a while since I was actively involved in this so I hope I didn't mislead anyone too far. They can be and are pretty tricky with the three strike rule. It is totally arbitrary if they use it at all and they can manipulate which cities you appear on to get someone they want, IIRC. This new Cert per city may screw this up some, but I don't think they are flying threesomes to DC for their interview as they get each Cert for each city. Hell, we all know it's mirrors, darts, and magic anyway..
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Post by mamaru on Nov 1, 2014 8:57:24 GMT -5
If a person has a "not recommended" from their SSA interview, they will not make a Cert. They will still be on the Register and depending on circumstances may be looked at again later. The only way to see if one was passed over or three-struck is to file a FOIA request. I believe Bob Ghelkin has on occasion told someone that they have been three-struck when directly asked. Background checks are not completed until after a candidate is hired, usually months later. One may be removed from a position if the investigation turns up something. They want to know all about ex-wives, child support, and a good explanation for every time you have been in and out of the country. (And they already know about that Tijuana thing..) Wait... You have to be ON a cert to get an SSA interview right? I think the poster meant the NEXT cert. |
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Post by gary on Nov 1, 2014 9:09:33 GMT -5
Wait... You have to be ON a cert to get an SSA interview right? I think the poster meant the NEXT cert. The statement was incorrect whichever cert he meant. In his next post bartleby walked his statement back a bit. |
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