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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 15, 2013 10:01:01 GMT -5
And you are probably right MPD. It's a trivial matter. most likley. But, impressions are made up of initial judgements and observations. I know of no one who has ever expressed any dislike or distrust of a clean shaven face. "If he doesnt have a beard, he is clearly not trustworthy" is a phrase never uttered. But, my father the retired first sarge, still carries the ,iltary disdain for long haired, fuzzy faced ne'er-do-wells. In an agency and gov populated by veterans with similar backgrounds to my dad, I dont think worrying that an interviewer or two may see my facial hair and have some level of bias as they weigh my answers and "appropriateness" for a job. Maybe its a small bias. maybe its the diff in "rec" and "highly rec." Or maybe its a small diff that pushes me over the cliff from a "rec" to a "no rec". Why take the risk? Hell, I just talked myself into shaving. d**n. So are you going to shave all your hair, including the hair on your head??? This way there can be no doubt that your hair or lack thereof played a part in the interview process. LMAO!
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Post by funkyodar on Jul 15, 2013 10:06:02 GMT -5
Gettin a lil personal with where i shave huh? LOL. No, for one it isnt that necessary for me to shave the head to have the bald effect. Two, unless the hair is long (on a dude) i dont think there has ever been an expressed bias against hair (maybe some against bald dudes???). But facial hair is diff. There are definitely those that think facial hair is unprofessional. So why risk getting a neg mark, even a tiny one, in such a competeive environment? Hell, i gotta beat people with stellar experience and performance, like you. I'd hate to get even one less point in this contest cause I had a beard.
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Post by bartleby on Jul 15, 2013 10:20:04 GMT -5
Okay, since you cowboys would argue about anything and everything, try this, shave your beard, get a conservative haircut, take a shower, brush your teeth, use mouthwash, use deodorant, wear clean underwear, dress nicely, shine your shoes, and use your manners (yes sir, no ma'am). You do realize that when a mother brings her 14 year old son in for a disability hearing based on ADHD and we ask why she thinks he is disabled, the number one answer is, "I have to tell him to brush his teeth three times." How do you think the panel will feel when you show up with your scrambled eggs on your teeth. If your beard is worth even a 2% chance of leaving someone with a bad impression, why chance it? The d**n thing will grow back. This is not the time to demonstrate what a strong independent individual you are. Don't wear sandals. Toe nails are not that attractive. You want the panel to pay attention to your answers, not the bird nest in your hair. Conservatism is the word of the day.. Once you are a Judge, you can grow your nose hairs out and braid them. Get with the program. Bartleby did not wear his kitties to the interviews, sometimes you just have to sacrifice..
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 15, 2013 10:20:34 GMT -5
Gettin a lil personal with where i shave huh? LOL. No, for one it isnt that necessary for me to shave the head to have the bald effect. Two, unless the hair is long (on a dude) i dont think there has ever been an expressed bias against hair (maybe some against bald dudes???). But facial hair is diff. There are definitely those that think facial hair is unprofessional. So why risk getting a neg mark, even a tiny one, in such a competeive environment? Hell, i gotta beat people with stellar experience and performance, like you. I'd hate to get even one less point in this contest cause I had a beard. I understand, but I do not want to hear any complaints from you, when I get more points and I kept my mustache and goatee.
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Post by funkyodar on Jul 15, 2013 10:22:03 GMT -5
Gettin a lil personal with where i shave huh? LOL. No, for one it isnt that necessary for me to shave the head to have the bald effect. Two, unless the hair is long (on a dude) i dont think there has ever been an expressed bias against hair (maybe some against bald dudes???). But facial hair is diff. There are definitely those that think facial hair is unprofessional. So why risk getting a neg mark, even a tiny one, in such a competeive environment? Hell, i gotta beat people with stellar experience and performance, like you. I'd hate to get even one less point in this contest cause I had a beard. I understand, but I do not want to hear any complaints from you, when I get more points and I kept my mustache and goatee. No complaints. Bring it on hairy...
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Post by funkyodar on Jul 15, 2013 10:23:40 GMT -5
Okay, since you cowboys would argue about anything and everything, try this, shave your beard, get a conservative haircut, take a shower, brush your teeth, use mouthwash, use deodorant, wear clean underwear, dress nicely, shine your shoes, and use your manners (yes sir, no ma'am). You do realize that when a mother brings her 14 year old son in for a disability hearing based on ADHD and we ask why she thinks he is disabled, the number one answer is, "I have to tell him to brush his teeth three times." How do you think the panel will feel when you show up with your scrambled eggs on your teeth. If your beard is worth even a 2% chance of leaving someone with a bad impression, why chance it? The d**n thing will grow back. This is not the time to demonstrate what a strong independent individual you are. Don't wear sandals. Toe nails are not that attractive. You want the panel to pay attention to your answers, not the bird nest in your hair. Conservatism is the word of the day.. Once you are a Judge, you can grow your nose hairs out and braid them. Get with the program. Bartleby did not wear his kitties to the interviews, sometimes you just have to sacrifice.. Wise counsel
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 15, 2013 10:24:06 GMT -5
Okay, since you cowboys would argue about anything and everything, try this, shave your beard, get a conservative haircut, take a shower, brush your teeth, use mouthwash, use deodorant, wear clean underwear, dress nicely, shine your shoes, and use your manners (yes sir, no ma'am). You do realize that when a mother brings her 14 year old son in for a disability hearing based on ADHD and we ask why she thinks he is disabled, the number one answer is, "I have to tell him to brush his teeth three times." How do you think the panel will feel when you show up with your scrambled eggs on your teeth. If your beard is worth even a 2% chance of leaving someone with a bad impression, why chance it? The d**n thing will grow back. This is not the time to demonstrate what a strong independent individual you are. Don't wear sandals. Toe nails are not that attractive. You want the panel to pay attention to your answers, not the bird nest in your hair. Conservatism is the word of the day.. Once you are a Judge, you can grow your nose hairs out and braid them. Get with the program. Bartleby did not wear his kitties to the interviews, sometimes you just have to sacrifice.. I would say if you had worn your kitties to the SI bartleby, you probably would have been hired even quicker than your were by SSA. (You do know that SSA does help the disabled.)
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jul 15, 2013 10:24:55 GMT -5
Agreed. Didn't even know my mother-in-law was with opm. Kinda explains that experience assessment I had to submit before marrying her daugter though. LMAO!!!! OH, my, funky you might get yourself into trouble with the wife & mother-in-law! LOL!
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Jul 15, 2013 10:37:05 GMT -5
After reading quickly through the thread I see you've already reached the conclusion several of us offered: If there is any chance that you might draw someone who even subconsciously has a thing against beards, it is better to shave it than to keep it. It's like being a witness in court: leave home the jewelry, rings, Rolexes, quirky ties, etc. That may be who you are in real life, but your job in court is to minimize your risk of offending the "decision makers". That means be as bland as possible.
And if you do decide to shave, your face will take time to adjust--those (currently) soft whiskers will cause lots of bumps when they're shaved to skin level and are no longer bristly things. Leave some time to adjust, and consider using an electric razor to minimize skin irritation. Good luck, funk.
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Post by onepingonly on Jul 15, 2013 11:41:17 GMT -5
If you can rock an Oliver Wendell Holmes look, rock on. By contrast, Robert Bork. If you look like Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October, you can't go wrong, but I doubt many candidates apart from Abe Lincoln ever ADDED a beard to get selected for high office. I know several ALJs who were hired with full (tidy) beards. Think Rex Harrison as ship's captain in Ghost and Mrs Muir. If you don't take your wife's advice, however, and you don't get selected, the question will always remain: was the beard the culprit? Good luck either way!
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 15, 2013 11:48:41 GMT -5
This is the male version of the "pantsuit or no pantsuit" debate here amongst the women, in 2010.
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Post by funkyodar on Jul 15, 2013 12:02:27 GMT -5
If you don't take your wife's advice, however, and you don't get selected, the question will always remain: was the beard the culprit? Good luck either way! Aye, there's the rub.
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Post by funkyodar on Jul 15, 2013 12:03:19 GMT -5
This is the male version of the "pantsuit or no pantsuit" debate here amongst the women, in 2010. Wait. Now I have to rethink my pantsuit?
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Post by hopefalj on Jul 15, 2013 12:18:54 GMT -5
This is the male version of the "pantsuit or no pantsuit" debate here amongst the women, in 2010. Wait. Now I have to rethink my pantsuit? As hot as it will be, an Angus Young look might be your best bet.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Jul 15, 2013 12:49:59 GMT -5
Think Rex Harrison as ship's captain in Ghost and Mrs Muir. Working a "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" reference into the conversation: Well done, sir.
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Post by onepingonly on Jul 15, 2013 13:31:40 GMT -5
Think Rex Harrison as ship's captain in Ghost and Mrs Muir. Working a "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" reference into the conversation: Well done, sir. Thank you!
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 15, 2013 13:43:11 GMT -5
Wait. Now I have to rethink my pantsuit? As hot as it will be, an Angus Young look might be your best bet. That idea came up back then, too.
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Post by privateatty on Jul 15, 2013 15:48:45 GMT -5
If you don't take your wife's advice, however, and you don't get selected, the question will always remain: was the beard the culprit? Good luck either way! Aye, there's the rub. This is the real issue. That and subconciously you don't have your MOJO without the facial hair. Think of it like a rabbit's leg and tell your wife that she doesn't understand the cool comfort your hair brings you. Tell her its a Mars and Venus issue. I don't think that the hair on your face will mean one whit to anyone, but then I'm hardly the norm. Know thyself and the level of calming confidence you need to engender and telegraph. If its sorta like having your briefs or necktie too tight--then you know the answer. And ladies, WEAR that pantsuit like Hillary on the Hill!
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Post by easystreet on Jul 15, 2013 17:03:06 GMT -5
When I took the SI several years ago, one of the interviewers had a close cropped beard and the other a bolo tie. Rest easy, Funk, ODAR is not a bastion of haute couture.
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Post by Judicially Imployed on Jul 19, 2013 12:13:46 GMT -5
Okay, since you cowboys would argue about anything and everything, try this, shave your beard, get a conservative haircut, take a shower, brush your teeth, use mouthwash, use deodorant, wear clean underwear, dress nicely, shine your shoes, and use your manners (yes sir, no ma'am). You do realize that when a mother brings her 14 year old son in for a disability hearing based on ADHD and we ask why she thinks he is disabled, the number one answer is, "I have to tell him to brush his teeth three times." How do you think the panel will feel when you show up with your scrambled eggs on your teeth. If your beard is worth even a 2% chance of leaving someone with a bad impression, why chance it? The d**n thing will grow back. This is not the time to demonstrate what a strong independent individual you are. Don't wear sandals. Toe nails are not that attractive. You want the panel to pay attention to your answers, not the bird nest in your hair. Conservatism is the word of the day.. Once you are a Judge, you can grow your nose hairs out and braid them. Get with the program. Bartleby did not wear his kitties to the interviews, sometimes you just have to sacrifice.. Wise counsel this discourse reminded me of another great mentoring moment from a veteran to a wanna-be rookie: - Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob. Funky my advice, keepo the beard and open your SI with this poem: Here's my beard. Ain't it wierd? Don't be sceered, Just a beard. - George Carlin And if you do, PLEASE let us all know how it goes!
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