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Post by privateatty on Aug 20, 2016 8:56:37 GMT -5
"And I wore this ridiculous suit...for you". I was trying a wrongful termination case and the supervisor and my star witness (who already had a swarthy look and insincere smile) did not follow my advice and showed up in a leather jacket. Sure enough after polling the jury I knew that they never believed him. Clothes do speak, but then so does countenance.
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Post by ARobeByAnyOtherName on Aug 20, 2016 11:32:19 GMT -5
Indeed not!!! However, as I could not find skirt suit I liked, i went for black dress, classy black sweater, and sharp necklace. It worked!! Felt more confident that way and just going in looking sharp not to mention having guts to not wear suit jacket gave me whatever the female counterpart of swag is called that I needed for interview. Bottom line-do what works for u. I love this idea! Time to go shopping...
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Post by ARobeByAnyOtherName on Aug 20, 2016 11:33:58 GMT -5
Does anyone know if noise cancelling headphones are permitted during the WD? Absolutely not! Really? So ear plugs are okay but over-the-head headphones are not? Not that it's a problem, but headphones are definitely more comfortable for me than ear plugs.
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 20, 2016 11:55:17 GMT -5
Really? So ear plugs are okay but over-the-head headphones are not? Not that it's a problem, but headphones are definitely more comfortable for me than ear plugs. Ear plugs are just that. They can't verify what you are listening to on the headphones at any given moment. . It's not so noisy. Use ear plugs, or deal with it.
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Post by christina on Aug 20, 2016 12:58:16 GMT -5
Indeed not!!! However, as I could not find skirt suit I liked, i went for black dress, classy black sweater, and sharp necklace. It worked!! Felt more confident that way and just going in looking sharp not to mention having guts to not wear suit jacket gave me whatever the female counterpart of swag is called that I needed for interview. Bottom line-do what works for u. I love this idea! Time to go shopping... I'm game!!! My coworkers helped me pick outfit so I could rock interview. Hoping to return the favor to them soon!!!
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Post by Mjǿlner on Aug 20, 2016 13:25:13 GMT -5
Once I was trying a case for a client who was the last car, in a string of five cars that was hit by a dump truck. The dump truck's insurance carrier settled with the first four cars and took a hard line stance with my client, as he had insignificant property damage and a host of prior medical issues. My client was one of the nice guys that I've ever had the privilege to represent.
The defendant trucking company had gone out of business and had no one present at counsel's table during the trial. For reasons that will forever remain a mystery to me, the insured's defense attorney brought the dump truck driver in on the last day of the trial to testify as to the minor amount of damage that was done to my client's car as opposed to some of the others which were totaled. He was an ominous looking individual and had gone to work for another excavating company and showed up wearing one of their T-shirts with their motto "Wrecking your world" in large letters. The jurors all seemed to be reading this as he approached and departed from the witness stand.
The verdict was about 10 times the offer. While I don't have any evidence that the shirt affected the verdict, I've often thought that if I were in the defense attorney's shoes, I would have run across the street and bought the defendant a different shirt before he got on the witness stand.
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Post by ARobeByAnyOtherName on Aug 20, 2016 13:30:10 GMT -5
Really? So ear plugs are okay but over-the-head headphones are not? Not that it's a problem, but headphones are definitely more comfortable for me than ear plugs. Ear plugs are just that. They can't verify what you are listening to on the headphones at any given moment. . It's not so noisy. Use ear plugs, or deal with it. Ear plugs it is. A more accurate description of what I was thinking of would be "noise cancelling ear muffs" -- the kind you would wear at a firing range, not anything that you could use to listen to music.
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Post by aljwishhope on Aug 20, 2016 16:44:33 GMT -5
Once I was trying a case for a client who was the last car, in a string of five cars that was hit by a dump truck. The dump truck's insurance carrier settled with the first four cars and took a hard line stance with my client, as he had insignificant property damage and a host of prior medical issues. My client was one of the nice guys that I've ever had the privilege to represent. The defendant trucking company had gone out of business and had no one present at counsel's table during the trial. For reasons that will forever remain a mystery to me, the insured's defense attorney brought the dump truck driver in on the last day of the trial to testify as to the minor amount of damage that was done to my client's car as opposed to some of the others which were totaled. He was an ominous looking individual and had gone to work for another excavating company and showed up wearing one of their T-shirts with their motto "Wrecking your world" in large letters. The jurors all seemed to be reading this as he approached and departed from the witness stand. The verdict was about 10 times the offer. While I don't have any evidence that the shirt affected the verdict, I've often thought that if I were in the defense attorney's shoes, I would have run across the street and bought the defendant a different shirt before he got on the witness stand. thats funny
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Post by aljwishhope on Aug 20, 2016 16:48:37 GMT -5
>> These details all provide an advantage. Next guy will be ready. << Baloney. Nothing in this entire thread gives anyone "unfair advantage." It consists entirely of information that could (and should) have been disclosed by OPM in a testing FAQ (if they had given any thought to the matter). Remember the detailed information packets distributed by ETS prior to the LSAT, or by the bar examiners prior to the bar exam? Same stuff. OPM just never got around to writing anything down about their procedures. This information consists entirely of mechanics and has nothing whatever to do with the substantive content of the exam. I'm puzzled by OPM's apparent antipathy towards non-government-issued writing implements, but then this whole process is bizarre. Maybe they're afraid someone might conceal a secret decoder ring in his or her highlighter. There is nothing in this thread capable of raising anyone's score by a single point. Actually, in my group someone asked about using their own writing instruments and the proctor said that there was an incident when someone had a thumb drive in the top of their pen. So I don't think they are out of line asking everyone to have exactly the same thing with nothing from the outside. They are just trying to make everything identical in circumstance. No doubt the minute someone gets to do something another person does not, that would be the basis for an appeal for someone. They are not out to get you--they are simply making it all equal, comfortable or not. OPM has never revealed all of the details about the mechanics of the testing as people are discussing here. Again, why would they? To make everything exactly the same for each and every person, they are doing the same way they have done it for years and years, with the exception of technology changes and new equipment through the years. After all, the process has apparently worked before--people do survive this process and do become ALJs as a result. I think that the reality of this whole process is that by the time the last person tests, he/she WILL have more information to feel a bit more relaxed about the whole thing. Is that an unfair advantage? I don't know. To me, ALL of this is just basic test taking information that anyone would (or should) know about taking any exam. They don't throw you to the wolves--they give instructions and they are nice people. But when we get into the specific details here...are we crossing the line? I don't know that either. Nothing substantive has been discussed but the confidentiality agreement covered the entire process, not just what was on the exams or the questions on the interview--it covered it all. Just sayin....(this is not directed at anyone in particular, just a general observation) nothing wrong with a little more caution about what we discuss rather than taking the chance of walking the thin line. Good luck to all who have tested and have yet to test! It will all be behind us soon! the confidentiality agreement says do not discuss. Enough said. My lips are sealed.i may have said too much to say "do not discuss."
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Post by Pixie on Aug 20, 2016 16:57:23 GMT -5
I was never coordinated enough to be a trackster and no plantar fasciitis, but when I started waking with a dull ache in the left hip, I figured it was osteo. I started riding a bicycle daily and guess what, no pain, but only as long as I keep it up. If I miss a few days it returns, very predictably. The ride also provides a decompression remedy for the last decision I wrote before getting on the bike. Hoping to hear your good news soon and how much exercise you get from snowshoes in MTP I am not coordinated either. No hurdles for me. But I could run in a circle at least. Good training for odar some daysNow, that is good, and funny as well. Pixie
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Post by JudgeRatty on Aug 20, 2016 17:17:35 GMT -5
Actually, in my group someone asked about using their own writing instruments and the proctor said that there was an incident when someone had a thumb drive in the top of their pen. So I don't think they are out of line asking everyone to have exactly the same thing with nothing from the outside. They are just trying to make everything identical in circumstance. No doubt the minute someone gets to do something another person does not, that would be the basis for an appeal for someone. They are not out to get you--they are simply making it all equal, comfortable or not. OPM has never revealed all of the details about the mechanics of the testing as people are discussing here. Again, why would they? To make everything exactly the same for each and every person, they are doing the same way they have done it for years and years, with the exception of technology changes and new equipment through the years. After all, the process has apparently worked before--people do survive this process and do become ALJs as a result. I think that the reality of this whole process is that by the time the last person tests, he/she WILL have more information to feel a bit more relaxed about the whole thing. Is that an unfair advantage? I don't know. To me, ALL of this is just basic test taking information that anyone would (or should) know about taking any exam. They don't throw you to the wolves--they give instructions and they are nice people. But when we get into the specific details here...are we crossing the line? I don't know that either. Nothing substantive has been discussed but the confidentiality agreement covered the entire process, not just what was on the exams or the questions on the interview--it covered it all. Just sayin....(this is not directed at anyone in particular, just a general observation) nothing wrong with a little more caution about what we discuss rather than taking the chance of walking the thin line. Good luck to all who have tested and have yet to test! It will all be behind us soon! the confidentiality agreement says do not discuss. Enough said. My lips are sealed.i may have said too much to say "do not discuss." Wow! You quoted me from an old 2013 thread! LOL! But hey, looks like nothing has changed in 3 years time. Same ole thing just a few different people now. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by pumpkin on Aug 20, 2016 19:06:57 GMT -5
Ear plugs are just that. They can't verify what you are listening to on the headphones at any given moment. . It's not so noisy. Use ear plugs, or deal with it. Ear plugs it is. A more accurate description of what I was thinking of would be "noise cancelling ear muffs" -- the kind you would wear at a firing range, not anything that you could use to listen to music. A guy in my testing group in Sept 2015 wore firing range headphones for the WD. Whether or not he had to get prior approval to do so, I cannot say...
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Post by Ready-Now! on Aug 20, 2016 20:34:09 GMT -5
as a trap coach I know that some of those headphones used for shooting can be pretty fancy. Some have a variety of electronic options. My guess is they would probably get a hard look by OPM and if electronic then you might run in to resistance.
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Post by basileia on Aug 20, 2016 20:59:20 GMT -5
When I tested in 2013, earplugs never crossed my mind. I did not see anyone using them and I was never distracted. Personally, I think the sensation of wearing earplugs would have been more of a distraction to me than any noises in the room. But I am not one who normally wears them.
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Post by Ready-Now! on Aug 20, 2016 21:36:45 GMT -5
Once I was trying a case for a client who was the last car, in a string of five cars that was hit by a dump truck. The dump truck's insurance carrier settled with the first four cars and took a hard line stance with my client, as he had insignificant property damage and a host of prior medical issues. My client was one of the nice guys that I've ever had the privilege to represent. The defendant trucking company had gone out of business and had no one present at counsel's table during the trial. For reasons that will forever remain a mystery to me, the insured's defense attorney brought the dump truck driver in on the last day of the trial to testify as to the minor amount of damage that was done to my client's car as opposed to some of the others which were totaled. He was an ominous looking individual and had gone to work for another excavating company and showed up wearing one of their T-shirts with their motto "Wrecking your world" in large letters. The jurors all seemed to be reading this as he approached and departed from the witness stand. The verdict was about 10 times the offer. While I don't have any evidence that the shirt affected the verdict, I've often thought that if I were in the defense attorney's shoes, I would have run across the street and bought the defendant a different shirt before he got on the witness stand. I liked the gavel.
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Post by foghorn on Aug 22, 2016 11:51:27 GMT -5
On the issue of whether you have to absorb in your allotted time the time it may take to get a copy onto disc and also print out a copy-- do you have to budget time to copy onto disc,and print out hard copy(i.e. is the time given time to just write or time to do all the above) I wrote OPM, and OPM responded with "Due to the comprehensive examination and assessment process, we are unable to provide more specific information regarding the WD/LBMT and SI components at this time. Additional instructions/details will be provided once scheduling has closed." So hopefully they will clarify. In the meantime I'm planning on asking when we get there and otherwise budgeting extra time to fart around with the download/print out process. Hopefully the oracle will speak sometime shortly after Friday. I'm broinging what I want to write with, note pads etc. They want me to leave it at the door, that's fine--it's their party (and we'll cry if we want to) (you would cry too, if it happened to you)
The old story........ ............the prints and the paupers.
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Post by foghorn on Aug 22, 2016 11:53:38 GMT -5
I wish guys had to wear kilts for interviews myself. Especially if they lift weights and have a nice upper body. Kilts hae nae tae do wi' the upper body, ye ken? More wi' the lad's sporran, and dirk, as it were.
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Post by sealaw90 on Aug 22, 2016 12:34:55 GMT -5
On the issue of whether you have to absorb in your allotted time the time it may take to get a copy onto disc and also print out a copy-- do you have to budget time to copy onto disc,and print out hard copy(i.e. is the time given time to just write or time to do all the above) I wrote OPM, and OPM responded with "Due to the comprehensive examination and assessment process, we are unable to provide more specific information regarding the WD/LBMT and SI components at this time. Additional instructions/details will be provided once scheduling has closed." So hopefully they will clarify. In the meantime I'm planning on asking when we get there and otherwise budgeting extra time to fart around with the download/print out process. Hopefully the oracle will speak sometime shortly after Friday. I'm broinging what I want to write with, note pads etc. They want me to leave it at the door, that's fine--it's their party (and we'll cry if we want to) (you would cry too, if it happened to you) The old story........ ............the prints and the paupers. Sorry, too much to reveal here so no one should answer this question. Edit Note by Pixie: Thank you sealaw90. He has about reached the end of his tether. Pixie
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Post by christina on Aug 22, 2016 13:56:06 GMT -5
I wish guys had to wear kilts for interviews myself. Especially if they lift weights and have a nice upper body. Kilts hae nae tae do wi' the upper body, ye ken? More wi' the lad's sporran, and dirk, as it were. Wth? U speak Gaelic better than me. English please?! Hope I don't regret the translation request....
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Post by christina on Aug 22, 2016 14:09:25 GMT -5
Oh I think I got it... No.... I am modest as others on here can vouch for.a kilt and a nice fitting shirt are fine. And preferably limited wind if outdoors. Trust ME. I have a uncle all things scot so I Sm very familiar with kilts. He used to play bagpipes even...
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