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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 6, 2013 18:47:02 GMT -5
Are transfer lists updated routinely or only in anticipation of hiring? The reason I ask is related to the new November 2013 list...does this mean any movement on hiring or is it just a routine update?
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Post by cougarfan on Nov 6, 2013 19:28:25 GMT -5
There are supposed to be routine updates. I understand this to be one of those routine updates.
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Post by tmgesq on Nov 6, 2013 20:08:08 GMT -5
I think it comes out quarterly?
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Post by westernalj on Nov 6, 2013 20:15:29 GMT -5
Do transfers happen only prior to hiring? If not, when can transfers occur?
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Post by bartleby on Nov 6, 2013 20:50:59 GMT -5
They are supposed to come out quarterly. Just prior to hiring is usually the big transfer activity, however, throughout the year people retire, die, and become management, all opening line positions. At the whim of the Agency, they will transfer when they want to. Nothing is in stone. ODAR does as ODAR wants..
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Post by lildavey on Nov 6, 2013 20:55:53 GMT -5
They are supposed to come out quarterly. Just prior to hiring is usually the big transfer activity, however, throughout the year people retire, die, and become management, all opening line positions. At the whim of the Agency, they will transfer when they want to. Nothing is in stone. ODAR does as ODAR wants.. Thanks, Bart. That clears up a lot. I was under the impression that the transfer lists were only worked immediately prior to a hiring spree.
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Post by ed on Nov 6, 2013 21:48:43 GMT -5
The largest movements on the transfer list will precede a hire due to the agreement (positions have to be offered before being filled by new hires), but there may be the occasional transfer without a hire, but with so many hires in the past 5 years, those may have happened with out being noticed, if at all.
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Post by sealaw90 on Nov 7, 2013 10:43:05 GMT -5
Are transfer lists updated routinely or only in anticipation of hiring? The reason I ask is related to the new November 2013 list...does this mean any movement on hiring or is it just a routine update? What? there's a November 2013 transfer list out there? Would someone be so kind to copy and paste it - I have no access to the list as an "outie". Thanks
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Post by moopigsdad on Nov 7, 2013 10:48:13 GMT -5
Are transfer lists updated routinely or only in anticipation of hiring? The reason I ask is related to the new November 2013 list...does this mean any movement on hiring or is it just a routine update? What? there's a November 2013 transfer list out there? Would someone be so kind to copy and paste it - I have no access to the list as an "outie". Thanks If posted by anyone please exclude the names of the ALJs, but only show the locations desired and locations wishing to be transferred from. It is a private document and the names of the ALJs wishing to transfer shouldn't be made public.
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Post by bartleby on Nov 7, 2013 11:11:06 GMT -5
What?? There is a private sector of our life still? Strange, our pay and deny rates are publicly posted along with disposition numbers by name. Our salaries are publicly posted by name. The offices we work in are posted by name. So the public shouldn't know if we want to relocate.. How very strange...
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Post by bartleby on Nov 7, 2013 11:12:15 GMT -5
Oh, sorry, I hadn't consider someone's spouse might discover if their spouse is trying to get out of Dodge.. Hmmm, makes sense nowwwwwww.
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Post by moopigsdad on Nov 7, 2013 11:18:02 GMT -5
You are way too funny Bartleby and wasting your comedic talents at ODAR. As an "outsider" I just thought it would be best to leave off ALJ names for decency purposes. However, if you would like to have your name listed, if you are on the transfer list (which I am sure you are not), please feel free to so list your name.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 7, 2013 12:15:52 GMT -5
What?? There is a private sector of our life still? Strange, our pay and deny rates are publicly posted along with disposition numbers by name. Our salaries are publicly posted by name. The offices we work in are posted by name. So the public shouldn't know if we want to relocate.. How very strange... Also see this post about not posting the ALJ names: aljdiscussion.proboards.com/post/47012
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Post by redryder on Nov 7, 2013 14:51:36 GMT -5
The transfer list is governed by Article 20 of the labor agreement between AALJ and SSA. A copy of the contract can be viewed at www.aalj.org. The only contract provided that the transfer list had to be worked before new hires filled the slots. The new one is not so specific but does explain the process. Now the clue that the list is being worked will be the email notification to the judges who are on the transfer list for offices with vacancies ODAR wants to fill. Per Article 20, these notifications will go out 90 days in advance of actually making the transfer offers.
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Post by redryder on Nov 7, 2013 14:52:22 GMT -5
that should be the "old" contract provided the transfer list had to be worked before new hires filled the slots.
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 7, 2013 16:58:17 GMT -5
that should be the "old" contract provided the transfer list had to be worked before new hires filled the slots. redryder, I looked under the ODAR resource guide, HR, union contracts, but it wouldn't open for me. my question is, if a large ODAR office has say 5 openings in this wave of hiring, does it have to fill all 5 positions from the transfer list before going to the cert, assuming that there are 5 or more ALJs on the transfer list for that office? somewhere I read that the office only had to take 1 from the transfer list for that "wave" of hiring, and could then take the other 4 from the cert during that "wave" of hiring. does the contract speak to this?
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Post by bartleby on Nov 7, 2013 17:47:53 GMT -5
From the last AALJ Conference: When a transfer is porposed, a letter of intent will be sent to everyone on the list to verify if they will indeed take the position. This removes the delay from contacting one and getting turned down and contacting the next. Supposedly, they are to offer the position to everyone on the list before offering to a new hire. It would seem that this way, all five could be transferees.. Caveat: ODAR does what ODAR wants.. Grievances fly and everyone dances..
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 7, 2013 18:16:43 GMT -5
thanks, Bartleby. makes sense. this is why some offices never come open even though they have many ALJ FTEs, and sometimes many more spots to fill every year.
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Post by redryder on Nov 8, 2013 8:26:58 GMT -5
epic0ego: the website that I gave you is the public union site. I found it through Google by typing in "AALJ" for the search. There are parts of that site that are blocked and available only to union members. But the current contract is not one of them. Hope this helps. And for what it is worth, my reading of Article 20 is consistent with Bartleby's information. ODAR should offer transfers to everyone who wishes to transfer before putting in a new hire. Under the wording of the old contract, ODAR only had to offer a transfer to the first person on the list and then could fill any remaining slots with new hires. But this was abandoned a few years ago. ODAR was asking everyone on the the transfer list and giving them an opportunity to move before putting in a new hire.
A word of advice to all applicants. If you are selected, there is a contract that applies to you whether you are in the union or not. It is in your best interest to read that contract and ask any questions you have about its provisions. It has information in there that you will need to know such as time and leave, transfers, management rights, union rights, etc.
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 8, 2013 9:02:49 GMT -5
epic0ego: the website that I gave you is the public union site. I found it through Google by typing in "AALJ" for the search. There are parts of that site that are blocked and available only to union members. But the current contract is not one of them. Hope this helps. And for what it is worth, my reading of Article 20 is consistent with Bartleby's information. ODAR should offer transfers to everyone who wishes to transfer before putting in a new hire. Under the wording of the old contract, ODAR only had to offer a transfer to the first person on the list and then could fill any remaining slots with new hires. But this was abandoned a few years ago. ODAR was asking everyone on the the transfer list and giving them an opportunity to move before putting in a new hire. A word of advice to all applicants. If you are selected, there is a contract that applies to you whether you are in the union or not. It is in your best interest to read that contract and ask any questions you have about its provisions. It has information in there that you will need to know such as time and leave, transfers, management rights, union rights, etc. many thanks, redryder. with the new rule (past 3 years at least), I think it makes wide-open GAL even more important. in the past, there would be 10 or more people waiting on the transfer lists for many major cities. if these lists must be entirely exhausted before considering cert candidates, the odds of a few candidates being able to squeak through in these cities is even further diminished.
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