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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 19:45:35 GMT -5
Post by Ace Midnight on Apr 4, 2014 19:45:35 GMT -5
We weren't very optimistic that there would be a cert from OMHA at all, but it's no surprise to me, once it came, that it came before ODAR's. Much simpler cert(s), fewer cities. Now they get to pick first. I'd like to hear what they have to say, but, as I understand it - they have a no transfer policy. They expect you to take the job in Miami, Cleveland, Irvine or Arlington and stay there for 20 to 30 years and retire. It is something to consider.
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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 20:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by futuressaalj on Apr 4, 2014 20:04:14 GMT -5
We weren't very optimistic that there would be a cert from OMHA at all, but it's no surprise to me, once it came, that it came before ODAR's. Much simpler cert(s), fewer cities. Now they get to pick first. I'd like to hear what they have to say, but, as I understand it - they have a no transfer policy. They expect you to take the job in Miami, Cleveland, Irvine or Arlington and stay there for 20 to 30 years and retire. It is something to consider. Miami would be great for me. I only have 10 yrs to go so i am fine without transfer policy. But i am sure u can bounce to ssa if u want to down the road
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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 20:15:02 GMT -5
Post by chessparent on Apr 4, 2014 20:15:02 GMT -5
We weren't very optimistic that there would be a cert from OMHA at all, but it's no surprise to me, once it came, that it came before ODAR's. Much simpler cert(s), fewer cities. Now they get to pick first. I'd like to hear what they have to say, but, as I understand it - they have a no transfer policy. They expect you to take the job in Miami, Cleveland, Irvine or Arlington and stay there for 20 to 30 years and retire. It is something to consider. Ace, I believe you can transfer to SSA down the road after you tire of the big city.
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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 20:37:49 GMT -5
Post by privateatty on Apr 4, 2014 20:37:49 GMT -5
I'm on Cleveland, OH, Miami, FLA and Irvine, CA. Congrats!
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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 20:55:12 GMT -5
Post by workdrone on Apr 4, 2014 20:55:12 GMT -5
I believe you can transfer to SSA down the road after you tire of the big city. While the process is there, SSA is picky about who they take. If the Agency don't think you can do 500 and be a team player, you're staying where you are. I have several ALJ friends in OMHA who have been there since 2005 and still haven't gotten an offer from SSA yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 21:08:40 GMT -5
I believe you can transfer to SSA down the road after you tire of the big city. While the process is there, SSA is picky about who they take. If the Agency don't think you can do 500 and be a team player, you're staying where you are. I have several ALJ friends in OMHA who have been there since 2005 and still haven't gotten an offer from SSA yet. Thanks Workdrone, this board is great for the info provided by the sitting ALJs.
Ace, Futurealj and Hilltopper the best of luck as I will NOT be responding for an interview. Futurealj I wish you could get the interview before you fly out and maybe you can but I can't do any of the locations for OMHA. My GAL was based on ODAR, not another agency as I want to be able to move around. So I will keep the faith with ODAR. Good luck to the "10 pointers", let us know if you get the job.
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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 21:15:19 GMT -5
Post by Gaidin on Apr 4, 2014 21:15:19 GMT -5
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OMHA
Apr 4, 2014 22:20:51 GMT -5
Post by moopigsdad on Apr 4, 2014 22:20:51 GMT -5
While the process is there, SSA is picky about who they take. If the Agency don't think you can do 500 and be a team player, you're staying where you are. I have several ALJ friends in OMHA who have been there since 2005 and still haven't gotten an offer from SSA yet. Thanks Workdrone, this board is great for the info provided by the sitting ALJs.
Ace, Futurealj and Hilltopper the best of luck as I will NOT be responding for an interview. Futurealj I wish you could get the interview before you fly out and maybe you can but I can't do any of the locations for OMHA. My GAL was based on ODAR, not another agency as I want to be able to move around. So I will keep the faith with ODAR. Good luck to the "10 pointers", let us know if you get the job.
The ability to move around from office to office at SSA won't be as easy as you think in the future 5 O'clock somewhere (formerly known as Tigerlaw). There won't be as many new ALJ hirings as over the past five or six years and you as a newer hire will be down the list of those requesting transfers. Remember the ALJs can now list five cities on their transfer list, which might mean you could transfer to a lesser desired city, but not as likely the top requested cities.
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OMHA
Apr 5, 2014 13:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by Ace Midnight on Apr 5, 2014 13:27:14 GMT -5
Here is a question for those who might know -
Suppose candidate A is on the Medicare cert, goes through their process, gets offered a position and accepts it - does that foreclose his/her proceeding through ODAR's process and getting an offer in a parallel or consecutive process?
That's the $64,000 question at the Midnight household...
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 5, 2014 13:33:33 GMT -5
Here is a question for those who might know - Suppose candidate A is on the Medicare cert, goes through their process, gets offered a position and accepts it - does that foreclose his/her proceeding through ODAR's process and getting an offer in a parallel or consecutive process? That's the $64,000 question at the Midnight household... Good question. I would think that any acceptance removes you from the register. Now how fast does all that happen and if another agency already has you on a cert not sure. Seems to be a gray area. But I would think that if you accept prior to a another agency cert.... You would be removed from consideration.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 5, 2014 13:45:18 GMT -5
I believe as long as you haven't accepted a position ace you can remain on the register as sratty stated. However, once you accept a position you are ineligible for any other cert or position. So, hopefully you can prolong your answer to OMHA to see if you receive an offer from SSA/ODAR, if a cert comes out. If not, it will be up to you to accept the position or roll the dice that you don't get the SSA offer in McAlester, OK, unless you want to be there.
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OMHA
Apr 5, 2014 14:08:31 GMT -5
Post by moopigsdad on Apr 5, 2014 14:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by Ace Midnight on Apr 5, 2014 14:12:57 GMT -5
I'm torn - I don't want to be presumptuous and say that OMHA is bad, particularly with quality cities like Arlington, Irvine, Miami (and to be fair, for Rust Belt, Cleveland isn't all that bad - I used to have associates there that loved it). I certainly don't want to take the position that OMHA is beneath me. After all, I did list 179 locations on my GAL.
On the other hand, I feel like those of us on the Medicare cert are well-positioned for ODAR offers, as well, and with ODAR, we know the process on how to get back home. Although my children are grown, they appear to be settling nearby - so the choice will be tough to leave them indefinitely, with no clear plan on getting back. ODAR offers a clear plan, and a relatively known timeframe to get back. I've got some things to ponder over the next few days.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Apr 5, 2014 14:16:28 GMT -5
From Moopig's link:
----- §332.301 Termination of eligibility. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a person's eligibility on a register is terminated when:
(1) He accepts a career or career-conditional appointment from the register;
----- Seems clear, but if we're in the grey area that I've interviewed with both, I'm on a certificate from both, I accept from one, then receive the subsequent (presumably in a short-window) - does that mean the second offer is null, because I terminated my eligibility by accepting the first? It appears so, but is not necessarily cut and dry.
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Post by mikeinthehills on Apr 5, 2014 14:33:31 GMT -5
I remember, a long time ago back in law school, something about offer and acceptance in contract law. Also, there is something here that troubles me about gaming the process. If an agency extends you an offer in good faith that you accept, they are making decisions in reliance on that acceptance. To try to back away from accepting that offer after the fact doesn't feel right to me. My 2 cents.
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Post by futuressaalj on Apr 5, 2014 14:44:10 GMT -5
From Moopig's link: ----- §332.301 Termination of eligibility. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a person's eligibility on a register is terminated when: (1) He accepts a career or career-conditional appointment from the register; ----- Seems clear, but if we're in the grey area that I've interviewed with both, I'm on a certificate from both, I accept from one, then receive the subsequent (presumably in a short-window) - does that mean the second offer is null, because I terminated my eligibility by accepting the first? It appears so, but is not necessarily cut and dry. Ace i believe you would be good up to the point you affirmatively accept the offer now usually done via email from HR folks. As with all bureaucracies there is a time lag from interview to final offer and then they give you a date for you to let them know if you will take the job. During this time u are still in the game and can interview and accept other job offers but I would be cautious in trying to get what you really want while holding the other agency at bay or declining to take a job after you have accepted the job offer. Such action might lead to consequences down the road.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 5, 2014 14:46:50 GMT -5
I'm torn - I don't want to be presumptuous and say that OMHA is bad, particularly with quality cities like Arlington, Irvine, Miami (and to be fair, for Rust Belt, Cleveland isn't all that bad - I used to have associates there that loved it). I certainly don't want to take the position that OMHA is beneath me. After all, I did list 179 locations on my GAL. On the other hand, I feel like those of us on the Medicare cert are well-positioned for ODAR offers, as well, and with ODAR, we know the process on how to get back home. Although my children are grown, they appear to be settling nearby - so the choice will be tough to leave them indefinitely, with no clear plan on getting back. ODAR offers a clear plan, and a relatively known timeframe to get back. I've got some things to ponder over the next few days. I would be just as torn as you, ace. Realize though that getting home as an ALJ at ODAR will be harder than in the past. There won't be as many ALJ openings as the past six years and all the ALJs now have the ability to list five locations, making newbies down the list for desired locations. So, to get back to your desired location may take more than a year or two now. If I am ever so lucky to acquire a position out of my desired area, I may need to give it some thought too, with the realization it will take longer to get home then in the past.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 5, 2014 14:58:53 GMT -5
From Moopig's link: ----- §332.301 Termination of eligibility. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a person's eligibility on a register is terminated when: (1) He accepts a career or career-conditional appointment from the register; ----- Seems clear, but if we're in the grey area that I've interviewed with both, I'm on a certificate from both, I accept from one, then receive the subsequent (presumably in a short-window) - does that mean the second offer is null, because I terminated my eligibility by accepting the first? It appears so, but is not necessarily cut and dry. You are forgetting OPM's role in this equation. OPM must approve any change in an ALJ's locale, even if they stay in the same agency. The bulldog's dad is right but to take it to where it goes is that OPM will assign you to OMHA. Period. Once you accept an offer from OMHA (and not to throw water on this but assuming no one wants this job who is currently at ODAR or another agency--they could have had a bad winter), you have ben through what, a 1/4 or 1/5 shot? After you beat those odds you then beat the odds at ODAR. You are asking OPM and OMHA to trash their paperwork on you and then redirect in less than 6 months? And that's just what you know, ace. Its what you don't know that could even be more of a problem. Like CJs and/or their staff talking to other CJs and/or their staff or ALJs picking up this most interesting story. My advice, FWIW is to thank your lucky stars that you found yourself with one offer. If after you have been with OMHA more than a view years and you can grease the right skids after riding the sleigh of hard work, then you may get a shot at a city near yours with ODAR. Or you could be like our other learned friend, blow off OMHA and quite possibly not impressing them at Puzzle Palace. I hope you make the right decision for you and the Agency that takes a chance on you.
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Post by westernalj on Apr 5, 2014 15:10:21 GMT -5
Won't the OMHA process by much faster? Such that it will be impossible to hold off OMHA long enough to find out if you'll get an ODAR offer?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 5, 2014 15:12:32 GMT -5
From Moopig's link: ----- §332.301 Termination of eligibility. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a person's eligibility on a register is terminated when: (1) He accepts a career or career-conditional appointment from the register; ----- Seems clear, but if we're in the grey area that I've interviewed with both, I'm on a certificate from both, I accept from one, then receive the subsequent (presumably in a short-window) - does that mean the second offer is null, because I terminated my eligibility by accepting the first? It appears so, but is not necessarily cut and dry. You are forgetting OPM's role in this equation. OPM must approve any change in an ALJ's locale, even if they stay in the same agency. The bulldog's dad is right but to take it to where it goes is that OPM will assign you to OMHA. Period. Once you accept an offer from OMHA (and not to throw water on this but assuming no one wants this job who is currently at ODAR or another agency--they could have had a bad winter), you have ben through what, a 1/4 or 1/5 shot? After you beat those odds you then beat the odds at ODAR. You are asking OPM and OMHA to trash their paperwork on you and then redirect in less than 6 months? And that's just what you know, ace. Its what you don't know that could even be more of a problem. Like CJs and/or their staff talking to other CJs and/or their staff or ALJs picking up this most interesting story. My advice, FWIW is to thank your lucky stars that you found yourself with one offer. If after you have been with OMHA more than a view years and you can grease the right skids after riding the sleigh of hard work, then you may get a shot at a city near yours with ODAR. Or you could be like our other learned friend, blow off OMHA and quite possibly not impressing them at Puzzle Palace. I hope you make the right decision for you and the Agency that takes a chance on you. So much to consider, and good for you that all these equations are part of your dilemma! Good for you my friend who is in the position that you are in! Most excellent place to be.
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