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Post by Gaidin on Apr 16, 2014 13:45:57 GMT -5
I went to figure out which cities have appeared on how many certs. This was complicated by the following factors. 1. The term "cert" is used in so many posts and so many threads it has no value as a search term. 2. I could not find in the time allowed any place where anyone put all the cities from a cert. Far to often people would list all the cities on their cert and then somebody else would list the cities on their cert..... 3. Some people seem to have difficulty differentiating between their cert and their GAL. So in a few places I attempted to extrapolate what they meant. 4. People on the board seem to have been less forthcoming with information than the current cast of characters. Lots of posts where someone says they are on the cert and then they don't give any information about for which cities. 5. Cities with multiple offices. I tried my best to figure it out but I am not so sure how good a job I did. 6. I know for a fact that I am missing at least one cert list completely. Sorry I ran out of time. After doing all that I question the value of the information itself because. Remember that just because a city is on the list doesn't mean they hired any ALJs there. Just because a city was on 3 certs doesn't mean that there has not been a change. ex. Some of the Pacific Northwest cities were on multiple certs that seems to have stopped in 20011 or so. All that being said here you go.
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 16, 2014 13:48:28 GMT -5
I would recommend that for future candidates etc. That a high scorer wide open GAL person just post the list from their cert email to the list of places on the city in a new thread entitled "CERT list (date of email)".
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 16, 2014 13:55:26 GMT -5
Well done!
For the second cert, in March 2009, there's a glitch, as clicking on that 2009 date takes you back to the 2007 thread. So, to find that 2009 thread, you'd have to do a search restricted by date to March and April 2009, and with the word "cities" in it. I assume that's the one you didn't find, unless you did a date restricted search for it.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 16, 2014 13:57:15 GMT -5
Gaiden, I sort of thought you or whomever did this job (thank you by the way for all your effort) would run into exactly the problems you listed. There is no one place where all the locations on all the previous certs were listed in detail and actually show up. You have done an amazing job with what you had. Thank you again very much.
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 16, 2014 13:58:37 GMT -5
You can find the cities, you just have to do a date restricted searching if the links in the timeline thread don't take you to the right thread. As it is, we now know that at least 140 cities/offices were on at least one cert since 2007.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 16, 2014 14:06:58 GMT -5
We likely know a lot of those cities on previously certs may not show up on a new cert because of changes in how the transfer list is now worked by SSA and the AALJ Union. Also, there are likely to be a lot less hires in the next few years and those are likely to be in less desirable spots.
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Post by gary on Apr 16, 2014 14:08:19 GMT -5
Gaidin, you are amazing! Thanks for putting this together.
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 16, 2014 14:15:15 GMT -5
Well done! For the second cert, in March 2009, there's a glitch, as clicking on that 2009 date takes you back to the 2007 thread. So, to find that 2009 thread, you'd have to do a search restricted by date to March and April 2009, and with the word "cities" in it. I assume that's the one you didn't find, unless you did a date restricted search for it. I did try to use the start date search function but maybe I can get it narrowed down better with different search terms. You are correct that is the one I am sure I could not find.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 16, 2014 14:20:40 GMT -5
Damn G. You're like Spiderman. You know, the Peter Parker nerdy, sciency, mathy version. Not of course the spandex wearing, wall crawling, car flipping, bad guy terrorizing version. But like spiderman. Sorta. Thanks a ton bud. That had to have been quite the task.
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Post by ok1956 on Apr 16, 2014 14:35:49 GMT -5
Gaidin: You rock! Thanks for doing this....
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 16, 2014 15:17:35 GMT -5
Here's the elusive list of cities on the March 2009 cert:
Region 1: Boston, Hartford, Manchester, New Haven, Providence, Springfield
Region 2: Brooklyn, Buffalo, Jericho, Newark, Syracuse, White Plains
Region 3: Charleston, Charlottesville, Dover, Huntington, Johnstown, Morgantown, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Philadephia (East), Roanoke, Seven Fields, Washington, D.C., Wilkes-Barre
Region 4: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charleston, Chattanooga, Florence, Fort Lauderdale, Greensboro, Greenville, Hattiesburg, Jackson, Jacksonville, Knoxville, Louisville, Memphis, Middlesboro, Mobile, Montgomery, Nashville, Orlando, Paducah, Raleigh, Tupelo
Region 5: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton, Detroit, Evansville, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lansing, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Oak Brook, Oak Park, Orland Park, Peoria
Region 6: Albuquerque, Alexandria, Dallas (North), Fort Smith, Houston (Downtown), Houston (Bellaire), Little Rock, Metarie, New Orleans, Shreveport
Region 7: Creve Coeur, St Louis, West Des Moines
Region 8: Denver Region 9: Los Angeles (West), Oakland, Pasadena, Phoenix, Sacramento, San Bernadino, San Francisco, San Jose, San Rafael, Stockton
Region 10: Eugene, Portland, Seattle, Spokane
That adds eight more cities to Gaidin's list, for a total of 148, and increases by one the total number of cert appearances for 75 more. Again, what was actually filled off this cert is a separate question. There was VERY little info in the linked thread about offers. I found another thread which indicated there were to be two training classes, though, so it looks like it was a big hire, involving most of the 83 locations.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 16, 2014 15:44:52 GMT -5
Well done, g.
So what's with the capital of MS--other than it being the poorest state?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 16, 2014 15:47:49 GMT -5
Well done, g. So what's with the capital of MS--other than it being the poorest state? I was wondering that too. Definitely at the top of the chart! And Gaidin ...thanks so much for all your work! Talk about team spirit! Very cool indeed.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Apr 16, 2014 16:00:49 GMT -5
Well done, g. So what's with the capital of MS--other than it being the poorest state? Well, other than featuring prominently in a CDB song, Jackson is a fairly well kept secret in the South - it has been booming, relatively speaking, it is outside of hurricane danger zone, and, while not on the river, it is very well placed along I-20. Jackson is within about a 5 hour drive of New Orleans, Little Rock, Memphis, B'ham, Montgomery, Mobile and Atlanta, and within about 6 hours driving of Dallas, Nashville and Tallahassee. It wouldn't be a terrible intermediate stop for almost anyone from the South, particularly the deep south, unless you were way down the Florida peninsula, up in the D.C. area or Houston.
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 16, 2014 16:21:57 GMT -5
Here's the elusive list of cities on the March 2009 cert: Region 1: Boston, Hartford, Manchester, New Haven, Providence, Springfield Region 2: Brooklyn, Buffalo, Jericho, Newark, Syracuse, White Plains Region 3: Charleston, Charlottesville, Dover, Huntington, Johnstown, Morgantown, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Philadephia (East), Roanoke, Seven Fields, Washington, D.C., Wilkes-Barre Region 4: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charleston, Chattanooga, Florence, Fort Lauderdale, Greensboro, Greenville, Hattiesburg, Jackson, Jacksonville, Knoxville, Louisville, Memphis, Middlesboro, Mobile, Montgomery, Nashville, Orlando, Paducah, Raleigh, Tupelo Region 5: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dayton, Detroit, Evansville, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lansing, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Oak Brook, Oak Park, Orland Park, Peoria Region 6: Albuquerque, Alexandria, Dallas (North), Fort Smith, Houston (Downtown), Houston (Bellaire), Little Rock, Metarie, New Orleans, Shreveport Region 7: Creve Coeur, St Louis, West Des Moines Region 8: Denver Region 9: Los Angeles (West), Oakland, Pasadena, Phoenix, Sacramento, San Bernadino, San Francisco, San Jose, San Rafael, Stockton Region 10: Eugene, Portland, Seattle, Spokane That adds eight more cities to Gaidin's list, for a total of 148, and increases by one the total number of cert appearances for 75 more. Again, what was actually filled off this cert is a separate question. There was VERY little info in the linked thread about offers. I found another thread which indicated there were to be two training classes, though, so it looks like it was a big hire, involving most of the 83 locations. I will add this to the list later and repost. This is excellent.
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Post by robespierre on Apr 16, 2014 16:39:31 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Gaidin!
Questions: (1) This is for ODAR certs, right? Not OMHA or any other agency? (2) This is confined to certs from the register compiled in 2007, right? You didn't try to go any further back than that. (3) How many certs were there altoghether? Ten?
Great work.
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Post by robespierre on Apr 16, 2014 16:46:28 GMT -5
Isn't it conventional wisdom that SSA never hires newbies for "glamorous" New York or San Francisco or retirement cities like Miami, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale or Tampa? Yet they've all been on certs, in some cases multiple times. What am I missing?
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 16, 2014 16:47:56 GMT -5
Thanks, gaidin.
In tracking down that list, I did what I've done before with respect to isolated questions about a particular cert. I look for someone who says their GAL is wide open or virtually so (excluding PR) and they post the cities that were on the list of cities they were sent with the notice that they were on the cert. That way, I know I have them all. It is a pain, however.
I don't think we can expect people in the future to post a list in its own thread titled a certain way. We just have to be sure that the thread that does have the list in it, whatever it's called, is tagged in the timeline.
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 16, 2014 16:50:42 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Gaidin! Questions: (1) This is for ODAR certs, right? Not OMHA or any other agency? (2) This is confined to certs from the register compiled in 2007, right? You didn't try to go any further back than that. (3) How many certs were there altoghether? Ten? Great work. It's just ODAR.. OMHA only has four locations, and no one else regularly hires off the register. The other agencies that do have ALJs in this classification are in the DC area. For ODAR here were a total of eleven certs off the 2007 register, right now gaidin's list only shows 10, but gaidin will add the cities from the eleventh one and repost.
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 16, 2014 16:53:39 GMT -5
Isn't it conventional wisdom that SSA never hires newbies for "glamorous" New York or San Francisco or retirement cities like Miami, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale or Tampa? Yet they've all been on certs, in some cases multiple times. What am I missing? Two things. "Never" may really mean "rarely" in some cases, and 2) some or all of those cities may not have actually had a newbie hire from any cert. Just because a city is on a cert doesn't mean someone gets hired. Late transfers are not at all unusual.
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