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Post by mikeinthehills on May 5, 2014 14:31:04 GMT -5
And with the last post, I think I just became a full member. I'm honored! lol
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 14:33:26 GMT -5
Thanks! I feel special already. I've been answering the polls if they have applied to me. For informational purposes, I'm an outsider, about 38 cities on my GAL, and an NOR slightly below the bell curve. :-)
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Post by ironmanlawyer on May 5, 2014 14:39:29 GMT -5
It's great to see so many long time lurkers starting to join in! This place is invaluable, and the more the better. Welcome to the fun house! Fun house or nut house? Either one is fine with me.
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Post by moopigsdad on May 5, 2014 14:40:27 GMT -5
Thanks! I feel special already. I've been answering the polls if they have applied to me. For informational purposes, I'm an outsider, about 38 cities on my GAL, and an NOR slightly below the bell curve. :-) Things look good for you in the second round of certs from SSA as long as one or more of your cities is up for an open ALJ position.
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Post by ironmanlawyer on May 5, 2014 14:42:03 GMT -5
Welcome to the club fingerscrossed.
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Post by ok1956 on May 5, 2014 14:46:14 GMT -5
It's great to see so many long time lurkers starting to join in! This place is invaluable, and the more the better. Welcome to the fun house! Fun house or nut house? Either one is fine with me. I think it depends on the time of day, or the day of the week, or whether the moon is full or waxing or waning....or perhaps all of the above haha.
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Post by wingnut on May 5, 2014 16:32:38 GMT -5
I am happy to be part of this new club.
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Post by ok1956 on May 5, 2014 16:35:39 GMT -5
I am happy to be part of this new club. Welcome to the club, wingnut!
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Post by robespierre on May 5, 2014 16:41:30 GMT -5
Have you all seen the news in the other thread that this cert went down as far as 73.41 on the score scale? People are speculating that the second cert will go down into the 60s. I'm not sure that's right, but the thought is VERY interesting for us, Second Cert Nation.
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Post by 71stretch on May 5, 2014 17:15:46 GMT -5
Have you all seen the news in the other thread that this cert went down as far as 73.41 on the score scale? People are speculating that the second cert will go down into the 60s. I'm not sure that's right, but the thought is VERY interesting for us, Second Cert Nation. It depends on how big the cert is. The cert will first include those who don't get hired off the first one, if they still match one or more cities, (and pick up higher scorers who might not have matched cities the first time around) and then will start dropping into lower scores. How much lower is anyone's guess, and depends in part on whether OPM sticks to its present guns on the multiple certs or goes back to the old way of doing things.
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Post by robespierre on May 5, 2014 17:20:13 GMT -5
Have you all seen the news in the other thread that this cert went down as far as 73.41 on the score scale? People are speculating that the second cert will go down into the 60s. I'm not sure that's right, but the thought is VERY interesting for us, Second Cert Nation. It depends on how big the cert is. The cert will first include those who don't get hired off the first one, if they still match one or more cities, (and pick up higher scorers who might not have matched cities the first time around) and then will start dropping into lower scores. How much lower is anyone's guess, and depends in part on whether OPM sticks to its present guns on the multiple registers or goes back to the old way of doing things. I think you mean multiple certs. In any event, agree with you that it's anyone's guess. Another factor is that when you get into the 73 range, you are in the fattest part of the bell curve, so they could add a large number of candidates to the cert and only move the low score a few tenths of a point.
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Post by 71stretch on May 5, 2014 17:26:21 GMT -5
It depends on how big the cert is. The cert will first include those who don't get hired off the first one, if they still match one or more cities, (and pick up higher scorers who might not have matched cities the first time around) and then will start dropping into lower scores. How much lower is anyone's guess, and depends in part on whether OPM sticks to its present guns on the multiple registers or goes back to the old way of doing things. I think you mean multiple certs. In any event, agree with you that it's anyone's guess. Another factor is that when you get into the 73 range, you are in the fattest part of the bell curve, so they could add a large number of candidates to the cert and only move the low score a few tenths of a point. I do. D'uh. I thought certs, typed registers. I'm going to go back and correct the original post. Good point on the curve. We shall see.
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Post by moopigsdad on May 5, 2014 17:33:30 GMT -5
It depends on how big the cert is. The cert will first include those who don't get hired off the first one, if they still match one or more cities, (and pick up higher scorers who might not have matched cities the first time around) and then will start dropping into lower scores. How much lower is anyone's guess, and depends in part on whether OPM sticks to its present guns on the multiple registers or goes back to the old way of doing things. I think you mean multiple certs. In any event, agree with you that it's anyone's guess. Another factor is that when you get into the 73 range, you are in the fattest part of the bell curve, so they could add a large number of candidates to the cert and only move the low score a few tenths of a point. Robes the same issue in the biggest part of the bell curve exists with the rest of the higher scores, which is not many have wide GALs. So, unless your city or cities are on the cert, you will be out of luck as someone with a smaller targeted GAL. So, it will easily move into the 60's, if they try to hire another 90 ALJs.
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Post by jessejames on May 5, 2014 17:52:59 GMT -5
Glad to be a member of the second cert group. Since patience is a virtue, this should be a very honorable group. Best wishes to the first cert group, but they need to remember the job is not theirs yet and at least half of that group may be joining us in the near future.
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Post by ok1956 on May 5, 2014 17:57:27 GMT -5
Glad to be a member of the second cert group. Since patience is a virtue, this should be a very honorable group. Best wishes to the first cert group, but they need to remember the job is not theirs yet and at least half of that group may be joining us in the near future. Welcome to us second certers and beyond, JesseJames!
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Post by moopigsdad on May 5, 2014 18:07:11 GMT -5
Glad to be a member of the second cert group. Since patience is a virtue, this should be a very honorable group. Best wishes to the first cert group, but they need to remember the job is not theirs yet and at least half of that group may be joining us in the near future. Then again, maybe not if three struck.
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Post by jaftrey on May 5, 2014 18:42:40 GMT -5
I am a new member. My impression of the last few days' worth of ALJ news is that members of the Second Cert club are in a good position because:
1. The first certification to SSA of 168 candidates is dominated by veterans. 2. The first certification to SSA of 168 candidates is dominated by candidates with wide GAL's. 3. The emails that went out to the 168 candidates contained information about two training classes later in the summer of 2014, with room for 45 proto-ALJ's in each class. 4. SSA is budgeted for 90 new ALJ slots in FY 2014 and 90 new ALJ slots in FY 2015. 5. The current ALJ corps in SSA is in excess of 1500, and retirement rates are rising.
I add all this up to a rough calculation that SSA will need to interview, hire and train 140-150 new ALJ's each year for the next 5 years, just to keep even with retirements and new hire commitments made to Congress.
Please tell me where this analysis is wrong.
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Post by wingnut on May 5, 2014 18:48:06 GMT -5
I have a lot of friends and relatives that ask how the judge thing is coming along. I now just mumble something about luck and a numbers game. I used to think my biggest hurdle would be to get through the interview, in my mind there will always be someone taller, more impressive and "judicial", a better talker, or one of those scary brilliant women like my older sister. Now I realize that some of those impressive smart types could be three-struck by their (misfortune) of being that good but matched up against the other world-beaters while I linger here safely with my less-than-average score and tiny, shriveled GAL. Then I put myself in the shoes of those first certers and think, wow, that's messed up and I feel really sorry for them.
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Post by westernalj on May 5, 2014 18:56:15 GMT -5
Three strikes is at the agency's discretion. If they want you, they just won't do it.
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Post by hopefalj on May 5, 2014 19:01:14 GMT -5
I have a lot of friends and relatives that ask how the judge thing is coming along. I now just mumble something about luck and a numbers game. I used to think my biggest hurdle would be to get through the interview, in my mind there will always be someone taller, more impressive and "judicial", a better talker, or one of those scary brilliant women like my older sister. Now I realize that some of those impressive smart types could be three-struck by their (misfortune) of being that good but matched up against the other world-beaters while I linger here safely with my less-than-average score and tiny, shriveled GAL. Then I put myself in the shoes of those first certers and think, wow, that's messed up and I feel really sorry for them. An older more experienced person with this process can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not quite that bad for non-vets at this stage. Being considered and passed over three times does not necessarily mean you're three-struck. SSA can consider you a million times and keep you on subsequent certs so they choose. So if the agency likes you on the first cert after the interview but simply can't reach you this time, they can always bring you back on future certs to reach you then. They use three-striking people for two reasons generally... to get past people they do not want or that have horrific references/interviews or to get to people they want to reach further down the list of folks. Even if you're three-struck at any point in the process, SSA can still bring you back on subsequent certs for further consideration. There will certainly be people on this cert that aren't hired until the second cert.
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