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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 23:01:08 GMT -5
No need to lock it ALJD. Tigers just blowin off some steam. No offense taken or harm done. No need to pm me tiger. Got nothing else to say to you. Stay Classy, San Diego.
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Post by FlaTreeFarm on May 8, 2014 23:18:32 GMT -5
Wow... so much less stressful not being on the cert! Scooby snacks for everyone!
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Post by Highlander on May 8, 2014 23:22:26 GMT -5
First sergeant tigerlaw, you are an army of one.
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Post by Missundaztood on May 8, 2014 23:34:33 GMT -5
If Funky and Tiger take out each other, that's two more down, and I'm two steps closer...Not that I condone that but a girl can dream! LOL!
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Post by Missundaztood on May 8, 2014 23:39:16 GMT -5
G'nite, "Top"
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Post by Missundaztood on May 8, 2014 23:51:49 GMT -5
Is it weird that I feel like my parents are fighting?
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Post by ALJD on May 9, 2014 0:12:37 GMT -5
Funky has my cell phone number, he's just not MAN enough to call it. Tiger, take a break and enjoy your week off the board. Your account will be reactivated on May 17.
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Post by harry on May 9, 2014 0:13:56 GMT -5
This is weird.
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Post by luckylady2 on May 9, 2014 1:06:20 GMT -5
What a very odd turn for a thread entitled "A Touch of Reality" Lewis Carroll couldn't have done better.
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Post by funkyodar on May 9, 2014 7:11:17 GMT -5
Hamster,
Excellent post and you are, of course, completely right. What you have described represents the best of the multitude of ALJs I have worked with during my time with odar. If my leadership position comments are construed to mean one shouldn't show the cordiality, dedication and desire to lead by example to make your office and the people in it the best it can be, as described by Hamster, that was not my intent.
ALJD, Tigerlaw and All:
I apologize for the turn in the thread last night. This is at least the fourth (5th, 6th) time I have slipped into an unhealthy and unhelpful spat with Tiger. He has the inane ability to say the most incindiary things that seek out and burn every exposed nerve I have about serving the public, the mission of odar and the role of aljs.
He has a right to express his opinions, even if I find them to be abhorrent. By now, one would think I should know well enough the futility and preordained outcome in engaging with him.
The fact I couldn't refrain is my own weakness and for that I apologize to all of you. After I saw tiger was suspended, I did try and call the number he sent me in a PM to apologize. He didn't answer. (I add this not to prove my manhood, but to let him know I did try as he won't be able to check his private messages while suspended.)
I'm sorry he was suspended. I know he cares for the board, many people on it and seeks its wisdom and info as anxiously as I do. As I said, I should have known better. The dust up last night was my fault as well. Thus, I am going to log out after this post and not log back in until May 17, the day tiger's suspension ends, effectively self suspending myself for the same period.
Thanks everyone, have a great week and good luck.
Funky
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Post by moopigsdad on May 9, 2014 7:45:08 GMT -5
Funky I find your post to be very refreshing, honest and down-to-earth. A lot of us sometimes get carried away in posts as if we have blinders on and fail to see we aren't adding constructive knowledge to the Board, but instead are being destructive to it. I, too, have fallen in this trap previously. I vow to be very careful to avoid this trap again, even if baited or called out by others. I will just ignore the post or say I am going to ignore the post. With funky's graciousness of example, I, too, am going to self-exile myself until May 17th as a penance for my past transgressions on this Board. While I do strongly believe in free speech rights, if the speech isn't constructive, it is likely destructive. Over and out my friends until May 17th . Please keep the Board informative and constructive. Peace and love to you all!
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Post by 71stretch on May 9, 2014 8:38:10 GMT -5
I think the self exile by both funky and MPD is completely unnecessary, and the actual suspension appropriate, from what I can see.
That said, the personal squabbles are best left to PMs and other contacts.
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Post by Gaidin on May 9, 2014 8:57:08 GMT -5
If everybody who has been a jerk at some point on this board self exiles themselves it will be a week of ALJD and Hamster debating the finer points of robe dry cleaning.
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Post by anotherfed on May 9, 2014 9:03:42 GMT -5
I don't think they're self-exiling; I think they're going on vacation. Such drama!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 9:11:39 GMT -5
I hope tiger takes advantage of his week off to get his computer/smartphone checked out -- his ALL CAPS button seems to be malfunctioning.
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Post by valkyrie on May 9, 2014 9:24:37 GMT -5
Funky I find your post to be very refreshing, honest and down-to-earth. A lot of us sometimes get carried away in posts as if we have blinders on and fail to see we aren't adding constructive knowledge to the Board, but instead are being destructive to it. I, too, have fallen in this trap previously. I vow to be very careful to avoid this trap again, even if baited or called out by others. I will just ignore the post or say I am going to ignore the post. With funky's graciousness of example, I, too, am going to self-exile myself until May 17th as a penance for my past transgressions on this Board. While I do strongly believe in free speech rights, if the speech isn't constructive, it is likely destructive. Over and out my friends until May 17th . Please keep the Board informative and constructive. Peace and love to you all! That blow up may not have been informative or constructive, but it sure was entertaining! Getting back to the original topic of this thread, in over 15 years with ODAR, I have never heard of anyone intentionally interrupting a hearing for anything other than an emergency. That's just my experience, and I'm not saying it could not or did not happen. It's just that in my ODAR world that is way beyond the pale, completely inappropriate, and I can't think of anyone at any level in my office who would even consider doing such a thing. It has nothing to do with the office, or the ALJ, or the GS. It has everything to do with the claimant's dignity and right to privacy. When on the record, only the ALJ, the claimant, the rep, the hearing reporter, and the pre-determined experts are allowed in the hearing room. Anybody else in that room is ONLY THERE BY THE CLAIMANT'S INVITATION ONLY. Who the hell thinks it appropriate to walk in on someone describing the number of times they soil themselves in a typical week because of a bowel condition? Lets also look at how colossally stupid it is from a PR standpoint. Those interruptions are on the record, a record that the claimant and rep have access to and can publish if they want to. I'd love to see the meltdown at Falls Church when Action 7 News plays that tape...
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Post by privateatty on May 9, 2014 9:57:28 GMT -5
I had made a little joke in another thread earlier this week about tigerlaw and funky meeting when they are interviewed at Puzzle Palace. Sometimes two people just get under each other's skins like wildfire--it must be opposite of the Romeo/Juliet syndrome. If you read their posts to each other you can see there is a lot more going on than just the two of them throwing words at each other. We have had this phenomenon before but it was five and six years ago with different players whom have moved on to bigger and better (well maybe not in one instance) things.
I'm no psychologist but I do think that funky and tigerlaw would do well to step back and ask themselves what they can learn from all of this about themselves. The ability to freely express ones' self in an anonymous Board is what draws most of us to this forum--I know that's true for me. Many don't post I'm sure for that very reason and I partially understand that. But funky and tigerlaw have decided to post frequently and in doing so have revealed alot about themselves. I understand Tigerlaw because there is alot of me there. I, for one, think Tigerlaw would be a good ALJ and would never act injudiciously--but, obviously he likes to act like he would in this forum. The job changes you and I beleive it would suck out alot of what we see here. We can all postulate or guess why just like we can do the same as to why funky gets so heated over his responses. But this Board is NOT about calling folks out or bad-mouthing them on these pages. It is about discourse and yes, letting off a little steam and camaraderie.
Like gaidin said if we censored all whom had acted poorly ALJD would be running an empty Board. ALJD has provided us all with a forum to act up within certain boundaries and this is heated by the anxiety and stress this gauntlet of becoming a federal ALJ entails. If you can't stand the heat of this stress and waiting AND you can't get all the other tests done well (even a bar admission date) then you are eliminated. This madness you all chafe under has alot of method--much much more now than in the past. And part of it is making you stew. Wanna judge claimants? Howzabout you wait like one?
The process of which I speak is very very personal to me. I am (and please forgive my immodesty) a FAR better person and Judge than I was when I first took the oath five years ago. I have done what I am preaching here and am better for it. I have read all my old posts--and many times shook my head in embarrassment. So what? This is a job you grow into, trust me on this one. The growth is not linear nor measured by any yardstick you have in your office closet. Whether you like it or not there will be growth--particularly since so many of you are so very young with little ones in the house or on the way.
funky and tigerlaw know they can't act iike this when they are donning the Robe. As I used to comment to my kids many years ago, "there's a moral to this story". Maybe alot more than one.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on May 9, 2014 11:38:18 GMT -5
To paraphrase the sports world, "This is why they do the interviews."
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Post by hopefalj on May 9, 2014 11:52:39 GMT -5
I've worked with enough ALJs in my life to know that not everyone gets some of that attitude sucked out if them and some have no problem acting out in a similar manner. I'm glad you recognized some of this and grew out of it, though. I don't really want to go further with this as TL isn't able to respond or defend himself, and it's not really productive anyway.
I do believe ALJD has tried to do TL a favor, although I'm not sure it matters at this point.
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Post by sealaw90 on May 9, 2014 12:08:37 GMT -5
Private, I hear what you are saying, but Tiger is no 'spring chicken' - this is him, and I do not believe the anonymity of the Board has given him license to behave this way. He is an a-hole, and he likes it that way!
I agree that we were not always on our best behavior when we were young attorneys. When faced with a situation such as Barts first post, there are some alternatives in handling the situation, and kudos to Valkyrie's point - it was the FIRST thing I thought of when I read the scenario too. However, none of the alternatives that Tiger proposed even come close to professional behavior.
I think there are plenty of big egos on this Board, mine included, and we've all walked a long mile, uphill, shoeless, in the dessert, blah, blah, blah, but we don't need to shove it in the face of our peers and future co-workers - again, repeatedly. The Tiger doth appear to protest too much - to botch a famous phrase. I am offended by his anger, mercurial demeanor and bombastic approach to almost everything on this Board. Sounds like childish jealosy to me...
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