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Post by robespierre on May 12, 2014 13:54:50 GMT -5
Let's say you scored 74 and made the cert for one city. (Not an unusual case, because our polling indicates the majority of first certers made it for 5 or fewer cities, and 73.4 is reported to be the lowest score that made it.)
Now let's say your city is the first one to be considered by SSA for hiring after inteviews. Your 74 is too low to be anywhere near Top Three, so you're toast. You ended up to be filler on the cert ... even if you interviewed very well.
But let's say, instead, that your city is the LAST one to be considered by SSA for hiring. By that point, lots of people with higher scores who are interested in your city will have been considered for other cities and either hired or three-struck. So you actually have a decent fighting chance of being reached for consideration.
Thus, there's a really huge luck factor here depending on WHEN in the process your city or cities come up for consideration. And that seems unfair.
Am I missing something?
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Post by 71stretch on May 12, 2014 13:59:04 GMT -5
The order in which positions were filled has always mattered, even when there was just one big cert. In some respects, including the scenario you describe, it seems like it matters more under this new system.
Unfortunate, but true.
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Post by futuressaalj on May 12, 2014 14:01:34 GMT -5
Let's say you scored 74 and made the cert for one city. (Not an unusual case, because our polling indicates the majority of first certers made it for 5 or fewer cities, and 73.4 is reported to be the lowest score that made it.) Now let's say your city is the first one to be considered by SSA for hiring after inteviews. Your 74 is too low to be anywhere near Top Three, so you're toast. You ended up to be filler on the cert ... even if you interviewed very well. But let's say, instead, that your city is the LAST one to be considered by SSA for hiring. By that point, lots of people with higher scores who are interested in your city will have been considered for other cities and either hired or three-struck. So you actually have a decent fighting chance of being reached for consideration. Thus, there's a really huge luck factor here depending on WHEN in the process your city or cities come up for consideration. And that seems unfair. Am I missing something? If you made the cert you are one of the top three on that particular cert and unless you have a veteran in front of you who cannot be passed over for you, a non-vet (I assume you are a non vet) then you have a fighting chance. You are assuming that everyone is lumped into one cert but according to the new process every location has a cert. So if you made the cert for a particular city then you are one of the top three scorers for that city! |
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Post by prescient on May 12, 2014 14:09:53 GMT -5
Giving ssa flexibility over which cities to fill first is vastly better than a completely random method. In your hypothetical, if ssa really loves someone whose score just barely made the cert, they can choose to fill that city last, increasing the likelihood that higher scorers/vets will be chosen for other locations or 3 struck . If they fill the cities alphabetically or randomly or east to west etc it would decrease the ability of ssa to reach low scorers it likes.
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Post by 71stretch on May 12, 2014 14:13:18 GMT -5
Let's say you scored 74 and made the cert for one city. (Not an unusual case, because our polling indicates the majority of first certers made it for 5 or fewer cities, and 73.4 is reported to be the lowest score that made it.) Now let's say your city is the first one to be considered by SSA for hiring after inteviews. Your 74 is too low to be anywhere near Top Three, so you're toast. You ended up to be filler on the cert ... even if you interviewed very well. But let's say, instead, that your city is the LAST one to be considered by SSA for hiring. By that point, lots of people with higher scores who are interested in your city will have been considered for other cities and either hired or three-struck. So you actually have a decent fighting chance of being reached for consideration. Thus, there's a really huge luck factor here depending on WHEN in the process your city or cities come up for consideration. And that seems unfair. Am I missing something? If you made the cert you are one of the top three on that particular cert and unless you have a veteran in front of you who cannot be passed over for you, a non-vet (I assume you are a non vet) then you have a fighting chance. You are assuming that everyone is lumped into one cert but according to the new process every location has a cert. So if you made the cert for a particular city then you are one of the top three scorers for that city!
Not necessarily, as our polling indicates that there are way more than three, or five, or.... on the list for each city. Some people are just filler in this process (as they were in the old process) , depending on who gets hired and who gets struck, and the order in which positions are filled. |
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Post by robespierre on May 12, 2014 14:48:51 GMT -5
Let's say you scored 74 and made the cert for one city. (Not an unusual case, because our polling indicates the majority of first certers made it for 5 or fewer cities, and 73.4 is reported to be the lowest score that made it.) Now let's say your city is the first one to be considered by SSA for hiring after inteviews. Your 74 is too low to be anywhere near Top Three, so you're toast. You ended up to be filler on the cert ... even if you interviewed very well. But let's say, instead, that your city is the LAST one to be considered by SSA for hiring. By that point, lots of people with higher scores who are interested in your city will have been considered for other cities and either hired or three-struck. So you actually have a decent fighting chance of being reached for consideration. Thus, there's a really huge luck factor here depending on WHEN in the process your city or cities come up for consideration. And that seems unfair. Am I missing something? If you made the cert you are one of the top three on that particular cert and unless you have a veteran in front of you who cannot be passed over for you, a non-vet (I assume you are a non vet) then you have a fighting chance. You are assuming that everyone is lumped into one cert but according to the new process every location has a cert. So if you made the cert for a particular city then you are one of the top three scorers for that city!
Yeah, like O-53, I'm not sure the bolded is correct. What's your source for it? |
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Post by futuressaalj on May 12, 2014 16:11:21 GMT -5
ยง332.402 Referring candidates for appointment. OPM or a Delegated Examining Unit (DEU) will refer candidates for consideration by simultaneously listing a candidate on all certificates for which the candidate is interested, eligible, and within reach, except that, when it is deemed in the interest of good administration and candidates have been so notified, OPM or a DEU may choose to refer candidates for only one vacancy at a time. Selecting officials will receive sufficient names, when available, to allow them to consider at least 3 candidates for each vacancy. www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=0688f7b1b8d1e604aa4d90cfe3f75ea5&rgn=div5&view=text&node=5:1.0.1.2.44&idno=5 |
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Post by robespierre on May 12, 2014 16:58:32 GMT -5
The person who made the cert with a score of 73.41 was clearly not top three for any city.
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Post by westernalj on May 12, 2014 17:00:51 GMT -5
Most people on the cert aren't top 3 for any location at this time. It takes only 3 high scoring wide open GALS to take all the top 3 spots. As the agency moves through the openings, and hires or 3 strikes applicants, a significant portion of the cert will be in the top 3 for some location at some point during the selection process.
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Post by ok1956 on May 12, 2014 17:01:10 GMT -5
I thought that score was for Puerto Rico (although I am going on memory and haven't searched the threads to see if my memory is correct)....
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Post by dpageks on May 12, 2014 21:17:07 GMT -5
I'm liking the new shades, Ok1956.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 12, 2014 21:42:23 GMT -5
I thought that score was for Puerto Rico (although I am going on memory and haven't searched the threads to see if my memory is correct).... That score was not a PR score. |
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Post by mamaru on May 13, 2014 7:20:21 GMT -5
I thought that score was for Puerto Rico (although I am going on memory and haven't searched the threads to see if my memory is correct).... That score was not a PR score. The PR scores went down into the sixties. |
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Post by ok1956 on May 13, 2014 12:39:49 GMT -5
That score was not a PR score. The PR scores went down into the sixties. That's what I get for relying on my memory - I say it's too much time reading all the statistical analyses....that's my story and I'm sticking to it!  |
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Post by hilltopper on May 13, 2014 13:58:52 GMT -5
The PR scores went down into the sixties. That's what I get for relying on my memory - I say it's too much time reading all the statistical analyses....that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Sorry ... can't resist - It must have been those "rose colored glasses."  ht |
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Post by ok1956 on May 13, 2014 14:28:54 GMT -5
That's what I get for relying on my memory - I say it's too much time reading all the statistical analyses....that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Sorry ... can't resist - It must have been those "rose colored glasses." ht You know, that must be it! I just added them to my avatar a day or so ago....I thought rose colored glasses would surely help with this process (although I'm a SCOBbie)! LOL |
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Post by moopigsdad on May 17, 2014 6:21:20 GMT -5
Let's say you scored 74 and made the cert for one city. (Not an unusual case, because our polling indicates the majority of first certers made it for 5 or fewer cities, and 73.4 is reported to be the lowest score that made it.) Now let's say your city is the first one to be considered by SSA for hiring after inteviews. Your 74 is too low to be anywhere near Top Three, so you're toast. You ended up to be filler on the cert ... even if you interviewed very well. But let's say, instead, that your city is the LAST one to be considered by SSA for hiring. By that point, lots of people with higher scores who are interested in your city will have been considered for other cities and either hired or three-struck. So you actually have a decent fighting chance of being reached for consideration. Thus, there's a really huge luck factor here depending on WHEN in the process your city or cities come up for consideration. And that seems unfair. Am I missing something? Hence, this is how post-interview and reference check that SSA controls who they hire for what GAL. It is their prerogative and right to get the people they want in areas they want them and yet still play within OPM's rules. |
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