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Post by Gaidin on May 15, 2014 15:44:21 GMT -5
I understand that a cert before the first of next year is unlikely. BUT because I like to think positive (and because there hasn't been much to SWAG on lately). Would it be possible for them to pull a cert in June/July and do the interviewing and checking of references for a hire starting around the first of October? There are eight weeks between October 1 and the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. So how possible is it that a hire could occur in this window......
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Post by gary on May 15, 2014 15:51:41 GMT -5
I would think they could pull that cert now if they really wanted to. However, I would think that even if they wanted to be really aggressive about the timing they would want to do their hiring and three-striking on the first cert before doing a second cert so those candidates would not have to be included. So, I suppose the day after they finish hiring would be my thought on the earliest possible time they could do a second cert and have it make any sense. Looking at it realistically would lead to a whole different, and much later, conclusion.
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Post by futuressaalj on May 15, 2014 17:03:12 GMT -5
I do not believe Oct-Dec are generally good times because they will still be training new ALJs in October. November and December are generally big leave months with the ops tempo slowing down, some people have use or lose leave. Anytime after January 1 would be ideal, but you still have factors like weather to consider, they still have to round up people for interviews and for the training so in my opinion next spring sounds like a more plausible time for hiring.
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Post by 71stretch on May 15, 2014 17:27:50 GMT -5
I do not believe Oct-Dec are generally good times because they will still be training new ALJs in October. November and December are generally big leave months with the ops tempo slowing down, some people have use or lose leave. Anytime after January 1 would be ideal, but you still have factors like weather to consider, they still have to round up people for interviews and for the training so in my opinion next spring sounds like a more plausible time for hiring. They could ask for a cert sometime during that late 2014 time period, but I think it is more likely to happen after the first of the calendar year.
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Post by alj on May 15, 2014 21:40:38 GMT -5
Yes, Observer, that is how it is normally done. The first part of the new year for the cert with the training starting about the first of March.
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Post by anotherfed on May 15, 2014 22:26:36 GMT -5
Don't forget that in 2007, NORs (for the then new Register) were issued on Oct 30, the first cert went out Nov 30, interviews were scheduled Dec 7, and offers went out Feb 28, 2008. According to the Unofficial Timeline, it seems like there is usually a week to 10 days between cert and scheduling interviews. Offers seem to issue within 2 months. When SSA wants, they seem to move pretty quickly. Once they figure out how to work this new OPM system, I think they will follow their well-established pattern.
As for the earliest date they could do another cert? Tomorrow, I guess. Nothing says they can't make offers this summer, with a start date of October 6 (which would be the first day of the first pay period in FY15). Another WAG would be that SSA issues a cert so they could schedule interviews to coincide with the October training session (to kill 2 birds with one stone) when likely interviewers would be dropping in to participate in training. Is it possible a government entity would try to achieve this kind of efficiency?
Hope springs eternal!
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Post by moopigsdad on May 17, 2014 6:17:29 GMT -5
Don't forget that in 2007, NORs (for the then new Register) were issued on Oct 30, the first cert went out Nov 30, interviews were scheduled Dec 7, and offers went out Feb 28, 2008. According to the Unofficial Timeline, it seems like there is usually a week to 10 days between cert and scheduling interviews. Offers seem to issue within 2 months. When SSA wants, they seem to move pretty quickly. Once they figure out how to work this new OPM system, I think they will follow their well-established pattern. As for the earliest date they could do another cert? Tomorrow, I guess. Nothing says they can't make offers this summer, with a start date of October 6 (which would be the first day of the first pay period in FY15). Another WAG would be that SSA issues a cert so they could schedule interviews to coincide with the October training session (to kill 2 birds with one stone) when likely interviewers would be dropping in to participate in training. Is it possible a government entity would try to achieve this kind of efficiency? Hope springs eternal! I love the optimism anotherfed and I am right there with you. However, the reality is more likely the new calendar year, but I hope the reality is wrong.
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Post by hopefalj on May 17, 2014 7:08:28 GMT -5
Don't forget that in 2007, NORs (for the then new Register) were issued on Oct 30, the first cert went out Nov 30, interviews were scheduled Dec 7, and offers went out Feb 28, 2008. According to the Unofficial Timeline, it seems like there is usually a week to 10 days between cert and scheduling interviews. Offers seem to issue within 2 months. When SSA wants, they seem to move pretty quickly. Once they figure out how to work this new OPM system, I think they will follow their well-established pattern. As for the earliest date they could do another cert? Tomorrow, I guess. Nothing says they can't make offers this summer, with a start date of October 6 (which would be the first day of the first pay period in FY15). Another WAG would be that SSA issues a cert so they could schedule interviews to coincide with the October training session (to kill 2 birds with one stone) when likely interviewers would be dropping in to participate in training. Is it possible a government entity would try to achieve this kind of efficiency? Hope springs eternal! If they pull one now, they'll just get most of the same names they already have on the first cert. They'd have to at least wait until after the first hire to get a new batch of candidates.
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Post by Gaidin on May 19, 2014 12:56:33 GMT -5
Don't forget that in 2007, NORs (for the then new Register) were issued on Oct 30, the first cert went out Nov 30, interviews were scheduled Dec 7, and offers went out Feb 28, 2008. According to the Unofficial Timeline, it seems like there is usually a week to 10 days between cert and scheduling interviews. Offers seem to issue within 2 months. When SSA wants, they seem to move pretty quickly. Once they figure out how to work this new OPM system, I think they will follow their well-established pattern. As for the earliest date they could do another cert? Tomorrow, I guess. Nothing says they can't make offers this summer, with a start date of October 6 (which would be the first day of the first pay period in FY15). Another WAG would be that SSA issues a cert so they could schedule interviews to coincide with the October training session (to kill 2 birds with one stone) when likely interviewers would be dropping in to participate in training. Is it possible a government entity would try to achieve this kind of efficiency? Hope springs eternal! If they pull one now, they'll just get most of the same names they already have on the first cert. They'd have to at least wait until after the first hire to get a new batch of candidates. But if the new hire is done by late June.......
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Post by moopigsdad on May 19, 2014 12:59:05 GMT -5
If they pull one now, they'll just get most of the same names they already have on the first cert. They'd have to at least wait until after the first hire to get a new batch of candidates. But if the new hire is done by late June....... The actual hiring is not likely to be completed until late July or early August 2014. So, anytime after that date would work, although I still believe it is not likely until the next calendar year due to budget issues, holidays, etc.
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Post by gary on May 19, 2014 13:05:57 GMT -5
If they pull one now, they'll just get most of the same names they already have on the first cert. They'd have to at least wait until after the first hire to get a new batch of candidates. But if the new hire is done by late June....... I stand by my view that they could pull a second set of certs and have it make sense as soon as hiring is completed for the first set of certs. However, even if starting and training all those new ALJs does not overly deplete their person-power for dealing with a second set of certs, they will probably want to regroup and consider in light of the new cert system how best to proceed on a second set of certs, i.e., which locations and how many at each location to reach those they want who are leftover from the first set of certs and to avoid those of the leftovers they do not want. So, much as I'd love to see a second set of certs that would hopefully include me in this fiscal year, I don't think it very likely.
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Post by order on May 19, 2014 15:50:42 GMT -5
Deputy Commissioner Sklar told NOSSCR last week that SSA plans to hire 200-250 ALJs in the next 12-18 months. (He and Judge Bice also said that the new position description is just an update, not a change.)
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Post by futuressaalj on May 19, 2014 16:23:54 GMT -5
Deputy Commissioner Sklar told NOSSCR last week that SSA plans to hire 200-250 ALJs in the next 12-18 months. (He and Judge Bice also said that the new position description is just an update, not a change.) Can anyone confirm? FY 15 is probably going to see a spring and fall hiring or maybe even a summer hiring too if this information is on target. i do see that SKlar was on the program for 5/15
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Post by hopefalj on May 19, 2014 16:32:17 GMT -5
Deputy Commissioner Sklar told NOSSCR last week that SSA plans to hire 200-250 ALJs in the next 12-18 months. (He and Judge Bice also said that the new position description is just an update, not a change.) Can anyone confirm? FY 15 is probably going to see a spring and fall hiring or maybe even a summer hiring too if this information is on target. i do see that SKlar was on the program for 5/15 This goes along with what justice recently posted. Leads me to believe the next cert will be this fall in November for 90 hires with interviews likely scheduled for January and two training sessions in the spring. A third cert for another 60ish hires could be requested in the same time frame as this first cert to complete 230-250 hires. This is just my speculation, of course, and I retain the right to be completely off base with this post.
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Post by futuressaalj on May 19, 2014 17:23:25 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm? FY 15 is probably going to see a spring and fall hiring or maybe even a summer hiring too if this information is on target. i do see that SKlar was on the program for 5/15 This goes along with what justice recently posted. Leads me to believe the next cert will be this fall in November for 90 hires with interviews likely scheduled for January and two training sessions in the spring. A third cert for another 60ish hires could be requested in the same time frame as this first cert to complete 230-250 hires. This is just my speculation, of course, and I retain the right to be completely off base with this post. I wonder if the 200-250 figure account for the 90 hires that are imminent. That would leave a hiring of 100-150 and perhaps at least the first 500-600 on the register getting a look depending on their GALs.
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Post by anotherfed on May 19, 2014 19:51:56 GMT -5
Could there also be some residual fear that the register will be frozen because of appeal activity? That could account for a "hire as many as you can, as fast as you can" approach.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 19, 2014 19:57:17 GMT -5
Could there also be some residual fear that the register will be frozen because of appeal activity? That could account for a "hire as many as you can, as fast as you can" approach. That might be part but more to the point is that the need is there with so many vacancies. We just need more ALJs!
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Post by gary on May 19, 2014 20:03:56 GMT -5
Could there also be some residual fear that the register will be frozen because of appeal activity? That could account for a "hire as many as you can, as fast as you can" approach. I doubt that any of the administrative appeals that are pending would cause them to freeze the register. If a lawsuit were filed that raised an issue going to the validity of the register itself, it is possible a court could issue an order staying all hiring from the register. I think however: 1) This is possible, but unlikely; 2) I don't think a court would make such an order based on a claim that an individual applicant should have been allowed to go on to the DC testing or should have been found to have a passing SI or WD score, since such claims would not implicate the validity of the entire register; and 3) would only happen after the litigant(s) had exhausted their administrative remedies, i.e., went through the entire administrative appeal process without satisfaction, which seems to be well into the future at the rate they appear to be processing appeals.
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Post by anotherfed on May 19, 2014 20:07:54 GMT -5
I agree, but I do think that the fear is still there. I didn't say it was rational.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 19, 2014 20:23:47 GMT -5
Could there also be some residual fear that the register will be frozen because of appeal activity? That could account for a "hire as many as you can, as fast as you can" approach. I doubt that any of the administrative appeals that are pending would cause them to freeze the register. If a lawsuit were filed that raised an issue going to the validity of the register itself, it is possible a court could issue an order staying all hiring from the register. I think however: 1) This is possible, but unlikely; 2) I don't think a court would make such an order based on a claim that an individual applicant should have been allowed to go on to the DC testing or should have been found to have a passing SI or WD score, since such claims would not implicate the validity of the entire register; and 3) would only happen after the litigant(s) had exhausted their administrative remedies, i.e., went through the entire administrative appeal process without satisfaction, which seems to be well into the future at the rate they appear to be processing appeals. Except after Adzell we all know a freeze is possie. Likely? Maybe not but it did disrupt the process! Edit: "possie"?? Meant possible. Only funky has a posse. Lol!
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