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Post by Gaidin on Jun 20, 2014 11:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by westernalj on Jun 20, 2014 11:32:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure Pixie's info is correct. But I think it will be earlier because of the upcoming second cert and the need to wait for a response before moving onto the next offer.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 20, 2014 11:40:29 GMT -5
The reports on the desire for a quick second cert have caused me to move up my expectations, but not by much.
Aug 25 still looks too perfect as the initial groups start date. Given past practice in re notice time, I was thinking that would mean last week of july and first week of August offers.
Given the city by city approach they have to do now and the second cert stuff, I think mid july is probably it and wouldnt be surprised if it's early july. Can't imagine June tho.
But that's just a guess.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 20, 2014 12:16:24 GMT -5
Given the city by city approach they have to do now and the second cert stuff, I think mid july is probably it and wouldnt be surprised if it's early july. Can't imagine June tho. But that's just a guess. I'm pretty much here, except I can imagine June - even if I couldn't, July is only 11 days away. Food for thought. To paraphrase George R.R. Martin, "Offers are coming."
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Post by bartleby on Jun 20, 2014 13:56:53 GMT -5
Board members, I have often been wrong. I have been accused of being wrong all of the time. However, I have never known Pixie to be wrong on this Board or the prior Board. I would bet money on that Girl..
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Post by hilltopper on Jun 20, 2014 14:18:29 GMT -5
Board members, I have often been wrong. I have been accused of being wrong all of the time. However, I have never known Pixie to be wrong on this Board or the prior Board. I would bet money on that Girl.. I concur. Pixie has an impeccable record for being spot on. If she gave me lotto numbers, I'd play them - on every game. ht
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Post by cat on Jun 20, 2014 15:32:29 GMT -5
Going back to the number of new judges in class issue---- Is there a point where training more than x number of new judges in a lecture hall decreases effectiveness? I am thinking about some law school seminars that were limited to 12 or less (like Law in Film, ha ha) versus first year CivPro (75+). Does the training require significant teacher/student interaction, in which case the smaller number is better?
As you can tell, I am always full of questions, and/or perhaps something else as well.
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Post by whyohwhy on Jun 20, 2014 15:41:54 GMT -5
I don't think there's an additional room that holds 75 people. I think that's a reference to how many people it accommodates when they take the wall down and turn the 40 seat classrooms into 1 large room
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 20, 2014 15:47:16 GMT -5
Privateatty did this research for me in September of last year. I an effort to pay that forward this is what they said about room size.
From podar (after a search on "class size"), 5/26/12:
"I heard today from a reliable source that SSA plans to hire about 100 from this certificate, then about 100 more in 11/2012, and 20 more (emergency fill-in) in 01/2013 (similar to this year's small class). If you know the size of the training rooms (they accommodate about 35 a side or max of 70 if wide open), you would assume 2 classes in the 50 range for each of the large hires. The 1/2012 and 01/2013 certificates will (obviously) be FY2013. All hiring is from the current register because the new OPM ALJ test is not likely to be ready until March or April 2013 at the earliest."
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Post by alj on Jun 20, 2014 15:59:36 GMT -5
Board members, I have often been wrong. I have been accused of being wrong all of the time. However, I have never known Pixie to be wrong on this Board or the prior Board. I would bet money on that Girl.. Pixie has always been right in the past, but if you will notice, she said she couldn't vouch for the accuracy of this information. It appears this may not be as firm as her info in the past. With the refresher training going on at the end of August, it does appear that August training might be a bit optimistic. However, if they get in four classes before December, they would have to start the training in August. We shall see.
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Post by philliesfan on Jun 20, 2014 17:27:34 GMT -5
During training, each trainee has a computer. All training materials are on a flash drive and some modules require using the computer to type sample decision writing instructions, parts of decisions, etc. Therefore, the critical number is how many computers can be put into the training rooms.
There is one big room on the second floor at headquarters, which has a removable divider. My class in August 2011 had 48 members divided into two groups of 24 (one of whom was Bartleby). However, there were several unused computers. The class that started in September 2011 had 70 members.
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Post by alj on Jun 20, 2014 18:34:50 GMT -5
Aha! I just remembered they do the new judge training in Baltimore. The refresher training is done in Falls Church. So, they can do simultaneous training. The trainers are different cadre, or at least they usually are. I have taught at the new judge training, but have never taught at the refresher training.
So, it looks as though Pixie's information may pan out after all. However, there are often changes before the final plans are implemented.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 20, 2014 18:48:29 GMT -5
I just talked to an ALJ friend of mine today who is going to be involved in the new ALJ class training and he confirmed the earlier given dates that were given with the new certs for new ALJ training.
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Post by westernalj on Jun 20, 2014 18:56:41 GMT -5
Now I'm confused about the location - Falls Church or Baltimore?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 20, 2014 19:02:54 GMT -5
Aha! I just remembered they do the new judge training in Baltimore. The refresher training is done in Falls Church. So, they can do simultaneous training. The trainers are different cadre, or at least they usually are. I have taught at the new judge training, but have never taught at the refresher training. So, it looks as though Pixie's information may pan out after all. However, there are often changes before the final plans are implemented. Makes total sense. I was thinking both trainings were in the same location so this is key. Generally in the past anyway the new ALJ training was just after refresher. That's why I was thinking it Had to be after the refresher. Heck we will all know soon enough!
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Post by cougarfan on Jun 20, 2014 19:13:01 GMT -5
Now I'm confused about the location - Falls Church or Baltimore? The training location for new ALJs in September and in October is Falls Church.
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Post by grassgreener on Jun 20, 2014 19:18:09 GMT -5
Aha! I just remembered they do the new judge training in Baltimore. The refresher training is done in Falls Church. So, they can do simultaneous training. The trainers are different cadre, or at least they usually are. I have taught at the new judge training, but have never taught at the refresher training. So, it looks as though Pixie's information may pan out after all. However, there are often changes before the final plans are implemented. Makes total sense. I was thinking both trainings were in the same location so this is key. Generally in the past anyway the new ALJ training was just after refresher. That's why I was thinking it Had to be after the refresher. Heck we will all know soon enough! If by refresher training, you're referring to the supplemental training that takes place for the Sept. 2013 class, that's slated for the week before Thanksgiving.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 20, 2014 19:18:51 GMT -5
Now I'm confused about the location - Falls Church or Baltimore? The training location for new ALJs in September and in October is Falls Church. Coug is right. All training is now done in FC at skyline.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 20, 2014 19:24:02 GMT -5
Makes total sense. I was thinking both trainings were in the same location so this is key. Generally in the past anyway the new ALJ training was just after refresher. That's why I was thinking it Had to be after the refresher. Heck we will all know soon enough! If by refresher training, you're referring to the supplemental training that takes place for the Sept. 2013 class, that's slated for the week before Thanksgiving. No I am am talking about training for established ALJs. Not new or fairly new.
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Post by alj on Jun 20, 2014 20:09:33 GMT -5
There are three types of training for judges. New judge training. It used to be held in and around Falls Church, Alexander and DC. Then they started having it in Baltimore. Don't know where it will be held this year. About one year after the initial training, the new judges would go to the one year supplemental training. At one time it was conducted by the regions. I think that has now changed to training held in Falls Church.
Every three years, the judges are required to go to refresher training. I believe that has been held in Falls Church each time I have gone.
Additionally, there is new HOCALJ training which is now in Falls Church. And each year there is the management conference for the HOCALJs, HODs and sometimes the Group Supervisors. The management conference used to be conducted at various locations within the region or at the regional office. This year some of the regions are doing something a little different.
So, the agency conducts a lot of training with the locations for the various groups moving around as needed. What has been the norm for several years may change depending on the requirements of the agency.
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