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Post by hopefalj on Jun 25, 2014 9:42:21 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the hiring decisions actually get made? Is there a group of non-ALJ people (Bob and his colleagues) who make hiring lists based on scores, GALs, interview summaries etc? Is there a group of ALJ's who make the decisions and give Bob the lists of hires? Does a sitting ALJ from Akron get to participate in deciding who will be given an offer for the Akron office? The answer to the last question is no. I believe your first scenario is the way it works, although there may be an ALJ or two involved in that decision as well.
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 25, 2014 10:45:31 GMT -5
If the intelligence regarding the alleged hiring committee meeting on or about July 7th is reliable, then it makes sense for the earliest offers to come between July 8th and July 25th - which would leave anywhere from 30 to 45 days for the early group to report. When was there information put out about a hiring committee meeting on July 7. That is the first time I have seen this posted here. Did I miss a post? I can't believe that with the frequency I check this board now.
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Post by BagLady on Jun 25, 2014 11:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 25, 2014 11:16:28 GMT -5
Ace do tell.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 25, 2014 11:19:52 GMT -5
I can assure everyone I read it on here. I have no insider information (although I am an ODAR employee) - I have only repeated it as rumor. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by bartleby on Jun 25, 2014 11:46:24 GMT -5
IIRC, there is a dart board and liquid refreshment involved..
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 25, 2014 12:02:30 GMT -5
I searched for hiring committee on the board and only saw a hiring committee in a post where redsox1 posted it in a WAG post
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Post by dudeabides on Jun 25, 2014 12:14:31 GMT -5
Regarding Background Checks and ODAR decision making
"Well I had just got out of the County prison Doing 90 days for non-support. Trying to find me an ALJ position. But no matter how smooth I talked. . .
ODAR wouldn't listen to the FACT that I was a GENIUS.
ODAR said "We got all that we can use."
So now I'm steadily depressing, and got the low-down mind-messing Working at the car-wash blues."
Jim Croce
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Post by redryder on Jun 25, 2014 12:43:42 GMT -5
Steve 7650: I don't have the rules at my fingertips, but the person or persons making the ALJ selections have to have the delegated authority to do it. All authority to do anything in SSA is given to the Commissioner who then delegates it to various other persons. The general rule is the delegated person has to be of the same or a higher grade than the candidate. For an ALJ, this means the selector has to be an ALJ or someone above the ALJ such as a deputy commissioner or Senior Executive Service types. I would hazard a guess that the selector is Judge Bice. She may have a group to assist her but you can bet all are in management. And no, the chief judges in the hearing offices receiving new judges are not consulted in the final selection process.
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Post by cowboy on Jun 25, 2014 12:45:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the hiring decisions actually get made? Is there a group of non-ALJ people (Bob and his colleagues) who make hiring lists based on scores, GALs, interview summaries etc? Is there a group of ALJ's who make the decisions and give Bob the lists of hires? Does a sitting ALJ from Akron get to participate in deciding who will be given an offer for the Akron office? The answer to the last question is no. I believe your first scenario is the way it works, although there may be an ALJ or two involved in that decision as well. I don't believe Bob is involved in the hiring process. He performs a lot of other duties assisting in the personnel matters of the ALJ corps, including all the operations necessary to set up and schedule the training; and he gets to make the call when hiring is done. He has one of the best jobs in the world.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 25, 2014 12:46:30 GMT -5
Wow. While my frequent posting in this board would seem to indicate otherwise, from you guys' reports on your online presences, I guess I'm a luddite.
I dont Facebook. It became really popular while I was in private practice and I always felt it was just another way for clients to intrude on my family time. I dont twitter because I never felt anyone would or should give a crap about my comings and goings.
A gov lawyer with no clients and no need to network has no need for LinkedIn. When I was in private practice in a small town, networking was hanging out in the attorneys' lounge on docket call day.
A Google search of me turns up a couple Avvo, Martindale type sites that just have my name and current position with no ratings or reviews (no clients in the last 5+ years), a couple old articles where I represented some criminalbor another, and a couple older articles where I was mentioned regarding my college team.
So, I bet the online activity portion of my background check was pretty quick. Maybe too quick? You think maybe there might be a downside or negative inferences from someone having almost no online presence in today's world?
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 25, 2014 12:52:23 GMT -5
Someone, I dont recall who, either posted or told me the candidates info is all marshaled together by staff in ocalj and then presented to the hiring committee. That committee was reported to be 3 or 4 rocaljs. They make the selections and office assigments then send it uo to ocalj for approval.
Again, I dont recall who told me that or if I read it on an old post here. I also dont know if it is remotely accurate.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 25, 2014 12:54:21 GMT -5
I searched for hiring committee on the board and only saw a hiring committee in a post where redsox1 posted it in a WAG post It's possible it is edited. It's possible I'm conflating 2 or more issues. It's possible I'm inadvertantly revealing something that somebody told me one time about something else that found it's way into the "ALJ" drawer in my brain. In any event - it is the Monday after July 4th, and maybe that was somebody's WAG that I took to the bank - the brain bank. Let's assume I'm crazy on this issue, as that would be my default position without substantial evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 25, 2014 12:55:35 GMT -5
Wow. While my frequent posting in this board would seem to indicate otherwise, from you guys' reports on your online presences, I guess I'm a luddite. I dont Facebook. It became really popular while I was in private practice and I always felt it was just another way for clients to intrude on my family time. I dont twitter because I never felt anyone would or should give a crap about my comings and goings. A gov lawyer with no clients and no need to network has no need for LinkedIn. When I was in private practice in a small town, networking was hanging out in the attorneys' lounge on docket call day. A Google search of me turns up a couple Avvo, Martindale type sites that just have my name and current position with no ratings or reviews (no clients in the last 5+ years), a couple old articles where I represented some criminalbor another, and a couple older articles where I was mentioned regarding my college team. So, I bet the online activity portion of my background check was pretty quick. Maybe too quick? You think maybe there might be a downside or negative inferences from someone having almost no online presence in today's world? Not at all. A virtually nil online presence is something that people will actually pay for. Good for you Funky although I will say Twitter is a fantastic thing and is really best used by us plebes only as a way to receive information and not a way to distribute any.
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 25, 2014 12:57:06 GMT -5
I searched for hiring committee on the board and only saw a hiring committee in a post where redsox1 posted it in a WAG post It's possible it is edited. It's possible I'm conflating 2 or more issues. It's possible I'm inadvertantly revealing something that somebody told me one time about something else that found it's way into the "ALJ" drawer in my brain. In any event - it is the Monday after July 4th, and maybe that was somebody's WAG that I took to the bank - the brain bank. Let's assume I'm crazy on this issue, as that would be my default position without substantial evidence to the contrary. I think your guess makes sense. I just did not recall this being posted. If I were to venture a guess I would bet that the selection committee would meet on 7/8. The reason to start meeting on Tuesday is to leave the Monday after the fourth for travel, if people have to come in from out of town.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 25, 2014 12:59:32 GMT -5
Wow. While my frequent posting in this board would seem to indicate otherwise, from you guys' reports on your online presences, I guess I'm a luddite. I dont Facebook. It became really popular while I was in private practice and I always felt it was just another way for clients to intrude on my family time. I dont twitter because I never felt anyone would or should give a crap about my comings and goings. A gov lawyer with no clients and no need to network has no need for LinkedIn. When I was in private practice in a small town, networking was hanging out in the attorneys' lounge on docket call day. A Google search of me turns up a couple Avvo, Martindale type sites that just have my name and current position with no ratings or reviews (no clients in the last 5+ years), a couple old articles where I represented some criminalbor another, and a couple older articles where I was mentioned regarding my college team. So, I bet the online activity portion of my background check was pretty quick. Maybe too quick? You think maybe there might be a downside or negative inferences from someone having almost no online presence in today's world? Hey bro, my question is how did you find this Board you luddite, if you don't do much with an online presence? I think the fact you know the SSA computer system as a SAA puts you head and shoulders above outsiders and is the important part of the position in working with computers. The fact you are not socially active on various social sites will have little negative bearing on acquiring a position. Even those with a social site, unless you are posting nude photos, Nazi party propaganda, or there are photos of you where a white sheet and white hood at a KKK meeting you are probably not going to be kicked. Of course, if you are constantly government bashing on your social site, it may be a problem. Just continue to farm your managerie at your home bro.
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Post by privateatty on Jun 25, 2014 15:44:17 GMT -5
Someone, I dont recall who, either posted or told me the candidates info is all marshaled together by staff in ocalj and then presented to the hiring committee. That committee was reported to be 3 or 4 rocaljs. They make the selections and office assigments then send it uo to ocalj for approval. Again, I dont recall who told me that or if I read it on an old post here. I also dont know if it is remotely accurate. Having read virtually all the posts on this Board over the years, I think this is either the scenario or very close to it. I gather that the DCALJ has considerable say so but that the CALJ must sign off.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 25, 2014 21:54:55 GMT -5
Perhaps the old report about the selection committee being made up of rocaljs and no hocaljs is wrong.
A beloved, insider, member requesting anonymity just pm'd me advising that their hocalj is going to be in FC taking part in new alj selections June 27 thru July 3.
Funk is just the messenger, folks.
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 25, 2014 22:02:06 GMT -5
Perhaps the old report about the selection committee being made up of rocaljs and no hocaljs is wrong. A beloved, insider, member requesting anonymity just pm'd me advising that their hocalj is going to be in FC taking part in new alj selections June 27 thru July 3. Funk is just the messenger, folks. In the past does anyone know the time between the end of the selection board meeting and the phone calls beginning?
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Post by trickbag on Jun 25, 2014 22:14:05 GMT -5
Perhaps the old report about the selection committee being made up of rocaljs and no hocaljs is wrong. A beloved, insider, member requesting anonymity just pm'd me advising that their hocalj is going to be in FC taking part in new alj selections June 27 thru July 3. Funk is just the messenger, folks. Those dates definitely qualify as "jumping right on it!" Good news.
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