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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 27, 2014 8:16:09 GMT -5
While there may have been 47 cities on the cert, the cities may change. Transfers are still going on. Care to expound? I mean, are these new transfers, or are the folks who agreed to a transfer a few months ago finally arriving in their new offices?
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 27, 2014 8:30:02 GMT -5
My completely unsubstantiated WAG:
One or more of the original 46 cities on the cert had their openings filled by transfer and we will see no hiring to those cities or less hiring to those cities (ie, they were gonna hire 2 for city X but one slot was filled by transfer so now they just have 1).
They still want to hire 90. So, they added Morgantown and decided to go ahead and fill some other slots in the existing 46 cities. Thats why we saw the new Cert for Morgantown and some were added to the certs for a few other cities.
Thus, I think there are at least a couple cities on the original list of 46 where the openings were filled by transfer and they wont be hiring for them now. Which ones? I dunno. But that's apparently common. All one can do is hope the cities that no longer have openings are not the only ones you were in competition for.
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Post by cubbietax on Jun 27, 2014 8:35:38 GMT -5
My completely unsubstantiated WAG: One or more of the original 46 cities on the cert had their openings filled by transfer and we will see no hiring to those cities or less hiring to those cities (ie, they were gonna hire 2 for city X but one slot was filled by transfer so now they just have 1). They still want to hire 90. So, they added Morgantown and decided to go ahead and fill some other slots in the existing 46 cities. Thats why we saw the new Cert for Morgantown and some were added to the certs for a few other cities. Thus, I think there are at least a couple cities on the original list of 46 where the openings were filled by transfer and they wont be hiring for them now. Which ones? I dunno. But that's apparently common. All one can do is hope the cities that no longer have openings are not the only ones you were in competition for. This is my biggest fear. I am a 1 city cert'er. When we were projecting the cities that would be on the cert., the city I was selected for appeared to have 3 people requesting transfers out and 3 requesting transfers in. I was shocked that this city was on the list. I felt me interview went well. My score was well above the mean. I am a 5 point Vet. So things line up well, but in the back of my mind, I can't help but think they won't fill my city.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 27, 2014 9:04:52 GMT -5
My completely unsubstantiated WAG: One or more of the original 46 cities on the cert had their openings filled by transfer and we will see no hiring to those cities or less hiring to those cities (ie, they were gonna hire 2 for city X but one slot was filled by transfer so now they just have 1). They still want to hire 90. So, they added Morgantown and decided to go ahead and fill some other slots in the existing 46 cities. Thats why we saw the new Cert for Morgantown and some were added to the certs for a few other cities. Thus, I think there are at least a couple cities on the original list of 46 where the openings were filled by transfer and they wont be hiring for them now. Which ones? I dunno. But that's apparently common. All one can do is hope the cities that no longer have openings are not the only ones you were in competition for. This is my biggest fear. I am a 1 city cert'er. When we were projecting the cities that would be on the cert., the city I was selected for appeared to have 3 people requesting transfers out and 3 requesting transfers in. I was shocked that this city was on the list. I felt me interview went well. My score was well above the mean. I am a 5 point Vet. So things line up well, but in the back of my mind, I can't help but think they won't fill my city. It's possible Cub. And the only way you will know is if you dont get the call. If you see someone on here posting they got an offer for your city, well obviously you either got a strike or were too far down on that cert to get consideration. If all offers go out and noone reports getting that office or knowing someone who did, it's a pretty safe bet they just didnt fill a slot there. I really think "Supplemental Saturday" was a harbinger. Of good things for some, disaster for others. I have no doubt they had to do some supplementing due to some of us declining certain cities. But I cant imagine that being more than minimal. The addition of Morgantown is the tell. The only thing that makes sense is they chose their 90 slots to fill and for some reason the original 46 cities got the priority and could take 90 new judges. Morgantown wasnt on it, signaling if they had openings it was felt they could wait till the second round. But then transfers happened. Some of their original 90 slots were filled by transfers in. Easy enough to fix if those transfering in were from other cert cities. You close off Spokane with a transfer from Eugene, you just open another slot in Eugene (pure hypo, I have no idea about where transfers from or to changed the slots). So now, you get a supplemental cert for Eugene and hire two there instead if one. And those on the list for just Spokane are SOL. But what happens when those single vacancies you were gonna fill in Vegas, Fresno, Albuquerque, Orland Park and Creve Coeur are all filled by transfers from cities not already on the cert? You now have 5 slots of your 90 you cant fill and folks just competing for those slots are SOL. But you wanna hire 90. So you first check the cities on the cert. Maybe Hartford, Greenville and Grand Rapids have a vacancy each you had decided to leave open for the second cert. But, you can go ahead and get a supplemental cert for an additional slot there. But that only gets you to 88 hires and you want the 90. The logical next step is to dip into the pool of cities you had decided could wait to the second round and go ahead and hire for the most pressing of those, Morgantown, and get back to 90. I really think that's what happened. And if you are on the cert for only one or two of the most popular places for transfers (of the cert cities)...you may have some cause to worry they wont actually hire there. But, who knows?
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Post by cowboy on Jun 27, 2014 9:12:33 GMT -5
No one transfers TO Morgantown. There's much speculation, but little knowledge on how the hiring is done and for where. I know of one person who was from BFE Pennsylvania and was hired for a Hearing Office in that town. I didn't even know there was one there. Some people have been hired into cities where there is a waiting list, but apparently one or more of those turned down the opportunity. As far as I know, no one ever gets hired into places like San Diego, Phoenix or Miami. That being said, it's anyone's guess.
Transfers are ongoing. There was a hold to transfers to California, something TPTB were very open about, but even now 3 people were recently transferred to San Diego (the ones at the top of that list were waiting over 10 years). I don't believe there will be late additional locations to the cert as transfers continue. It will just be information for the next hire. Many here have posted about the possible greater chance of getting hired with a wide open GAL. I did a post years ago (I couldn't tell you where it is) where I analyzed the hiring results since 2007. Statistically, over 65% of those hired were in the midwest and the great majority in states such as Ohio, West Virginia and Georgia. For geographic purposes, these are in Regions 4, 5 & 6. The fact that new Hearing Offices opened there in the late 2000s was probably a great contributor, but frankly, most people were transferring out of the offices in the midwest (can anyone say, Mt Pleasant?). In Ohio, you would see 3 or 4, even 6 transfer at once. On the other side, less than 10% were hired for the West coast (Regions 9 & 10) during the same period.
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Post by bartleby on Jun 27, 2014 9:18:41 GMT -5
Georgia opened two offices during that time period, but recently closed one down. There won't be much hiring in Georgia this time around.
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Post by NP on Jun 27, 2014 9:34:52 GMT -5
Georgia opened two offices during that time period, but recently closed one down. There won't be much hiring in Georgia this time around. Do you know anything about the other offices in the Deep South? Given what I had read about Region 4 being a hotbed of hiring in the past, I was kind of surprised there were no GA or AL cities and only one MS city on the cert. I guess there were two each in TN and LA, but still. It definitely seemed very midwest heavy to me.
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Post by bartleby on Jun 27, 2014 10:22:46 GMT -5
Any city on the transfer list with 5 people on it will not be open for a long time. Baby boomer judges moving south for future retirement. Since global warming has bypassed Crapland, most hiring's will go there for the next 5 years. Hard to override the transfer list. Perhaps with the immigration chaos, new offices will be opened in the South? I believe there will be mucho applications from the new citizens.. After all, many will fit the illiterate, no past work, and less than marginal education... With PTSD. You read it first here.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 27, 2014 10:25:49 GMT -5
The folks assigned to New Orleans this August have an equally unpleasant but different welcome coming. Don't you be pickin' on Nawlins! What's a little sticky heat when you have po'boys, beignets, oysters and more culture than you could possibly soak up? If ODAR had hired me and sent me to that great city I'd still be there, gettting hassled by NOPD at all hours doing God knows what. Nawlins has a way of bringing out that which might stay hidden in any other locale... Private if I get the Big Easy it will be almost a home coming. My first purchase will be a seer sucker suit and my second will be Saints season tickets.
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Post by philliesfan on Jun 27, 2014 16:45:40 GMT -5
While there may have been 47 cities on the cert, the cities may change. Transfers are still going on. Care to expound? I mean, are these new transfers, or are the folks who agreed to a transfer a few months ago finally arriving in their new offices? No. They are new offers. I know for sure. I got the inquiry as to whether I was still interested in the transfer on Wednesday and the actual offer on Thursday, this week. I accepted, but the transfer is to an office that was not on the cert. However, it adds one more slot to the office I am leaving, which is on the cert
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Post by bartleby on Jun 27, 2014 18:50:30 GMT -5
Philliesfan, I thought you were already home? Weren't you the first in our class to get back home?
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Post by philliesfan on Jun 27, 2014 18:57:23 GMT -5
Bart: There was a transfer back to the NHC in Baltimore in a month and a half. It took me five months. Now I am going back to the office from whence I came when I got the ALJ offer, where I was a Senior Attorney. It is 15 minutes from my house.
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Post by bartleby on Jun 27, 2014 20:55:00 GMT -5
Excellent, so it was almost three years before you got back where you wanted? How was the NHC? Which office structure do feel is best?
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Post by philliesfan on Jun 27, 2014 21:11:30 GMT -5
Bart: I didn't go to the NHC. That was another member of the class. This is my second transfer.
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Post by bartleby on Jun 27, 2014 21:16:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info.
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Post by eyre44 on Jun 29, 2014 14:14:37 GMT -5
No. They are new offers. I know for sure. I got the inquiry as to whether I was still interested in the transfer on Wednesday and the actual offer on Thursday, this week. I accepted, but the transfer is to an office that was not on the cert. However, it adds one more slot to the office I am leaving, which is on the cert I also received a transfer inquiry last week (waiting 3 years in August). This is for a different office than philiesfan. Neither the office I am currently in, or the one I will transfer to, is on the cert. However, there are folks who want to transfer into my current office from cities on the cert. That's the key, all of these transfers cause a domino effect.
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