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Post by privateatty on Aug 14, 2014 15:51:53 GMT -5
Thanks mamaru. But not sure it was "wrong." Depends on the informants definition of "insider". Maybe the info today refers to it as ssa insiders while the person whi told the union was meaning "already feds"? Be interesting to see what percentage of the 70 were already gov employees. Insider on this Board has always been ODAR. Confusing the term with other federal attys would lead to confusion. The genesis of the whole "insider and outsider" discussion on this Board going back to its inception has been the fervent conviction that hiring their own attys from ODAR, not OGC, but ODAR, allows them to ramp them up more quickly and get more production. An added advantage is it allows accountability with respect to the candidate's bonafides; i.e., who's the HOCALJ who recommended this new Judge? This of course is patently obvious to ODAR but not so much to outsiders--particularly if they never see this Board.
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Post by whyohwhy on Aug 14, 2014 16:24:06 GMT -5
Thanks mamaru. But not sure it was "wrong." Depends on the informants definition of "insider". Maybe the info today refers to it as ssa insiders while the person whi told the union was meaning "already feds"? Be interesting to see what percentage of the 70 were already gov employees. 27 of the August hires and 15 of the September hires are current federal employees so yes it appears the union folks were using a different definition of insider than the Board does
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Post by bartleby on Aug 14, 2014 16:32:47 GMT -5
Historical perspective: Insider versus outsider began when the Judges requested an injunction to stop the Agency from hiring Agency attorneys as they were considered undesirable after the Azdell suit settled and hiring opened up.
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Post by futuressaalj on Aug 14, 2014 16:36:10 GMT -5
Where does a former ODAR Writer, SA, GS or HOD fall in this insider/outsider classification?
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 14, 2014 17:01:28 GMT -5
Where does a former ODAR Writer, SA, GS or HOD fall in this insider/outsider classification? Former insider, I assume. If there are still people there that can speak to your competency and performance, I imagine it will significantly help.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Aug 14, 2014 17:39:46 GMT -5
Thanks mamaru. But not sure it was "wrong." Depends on the informants definition of "insider". Maybe the info today refers to it as ssa insiders while the person whi told the union was meaning "already feds"? Be interesting to see what percentage of the 70 were already gov employees. 27 of the August hires and 15 of the September hires are current federal employees so yes it appears the union folks were using a different definition of insider than the Board does This could mean there were even less ODAR insiders if the 27 and 15 reference Feds in general. So there could be an even smaller number overall, which would be consistent with the general outcome of the new testing. Merely pointing this out...do not want to start the ole debate! LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 17:58:59 GMT -5
27 of the August hires and 15 of the September hires are current federal employees so yes it appears the union folks were using a different definition of insider than the Board does This could mean there were even less ODAR insiders if the 27 and 15 reference Feds in general. So there could be an even smaller number overall, which would be consistent with the general outcome of the new testing. Merely pointing this out...do not want to start the ole debate! LOL! As of August 24th, I'm an insider! I never did like them outsiders anyway. Just joking!
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Post by privateatty on Aug 14, 2014 19:29:49 GMT -5
Historical perspective: Insider versus outsider began when the Judges requested an injunction to stop the Agency from hiring Agency attorneys as they were considered undesirable after the Azdell suit settled and hiring opened up. Welcome back, Kotter! What you say is true, but you give it short shrift.
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Post by funkyodar on Aug 14, 2014 22:27:01 GMT -5
I agree that the term "insider" as used on the board refers to an ssa employee.
But the source of "almost 50% were insiders" report was not from the board. As I understand it, a union rep or official passed that along. I personally heard such an individual refer to all current feds as "insiders" eligible for relo benefits recently.
Given the report that almost half of the hires were indeed current feds of one ilk or another, it would appear mamaru's source was using a wider definition of "insider" than is commonly used in boardspeak.
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Post by privateatty on Aug 15, 2014 5:47:58 GMT -5
This could mean there were even less ODAR insiders if the 27 and 15 reference Feds in general. So there could be an even smaller number overall, which would be consistent with the general outcome of the new testing. Merely pointing this out...do not want to start the ole debate! LOL! As of August 24th, I'm an insider! I never did like them outsiders anyway. Just joking! Tiger, once you are sworn in you are a Member of the ALJ Corps and neither an insider or outsider, but one who comes under the smallish, but so important, tent of the APA.
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Post by philliesfan on Aug 15, 2014 9:53:07 GMT -5
For all of the new ALJs, if you are admitted in Pennsylvania, the second thing you should do after the HOCALJ swears you in and the Appointment Certificate is signed, is to draft a brief letter to the Pennsylvania CLE Board requesting exemption from CLE and fax it and the Appoinment Certificate to the Board. ALJs who are admitted in Pennsylvania are exempt from CLE requirements no matter where they are assigned. I was sworn in on Monday and by Friday had the letter granting the exemption
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Post by privateatty on Aug 15, 2014 11:09:27 GMT -5
For all of the new ALJs, if you are admitted in Pennsylvania, the second thing you should do after the HOCALJ swears you in and the Appointment Certificate is signed, is to draft a brief letter to the Pennsylvania CLE Board requesting exemption from CLE and fax it and the Appoinment Certificate to the Board. ALJs who are admitted in Pennsylvania are exempt from CLE requirements no matter where they are assigned. I was sworn in on Monday and by Friday had the letter granting the exemption PA is but one of more than a few. You all should check your Bar Rules.
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Post by Radoy Knuf on Aug 22, 2014 13:34:49 GMT -5
What are the odds that the other board member who accepted Middlesboro today is Radoy Knuf? Zero. I don't even know where Middlesboro is, unless you are talking about the donkey that belongs to my cousin Middle.
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Post by westernalj on Aug 23, 2014 20:40:22 GMT -5
Everyone at their new locations and ready to become ALJs Monday? Exciting!
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