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Post by Gaidin on Sept 12, 2014 13:21:46 GMT -5
Just in case it will tip the balance, as an Immigration Judge you will almost surely be nominated to a US District Judgeship. It's happened countless times. . . . Well, it's happened many times. . . . OK, I'm only aware of it happening once. But it happened to someone, so it could happen to you. All you have to do is become an Immigration Judge! Let's get that stampede off the register started! I appreciate the sentiment. The only flaw is that there are 6,000 give or take a few thousand standing behind anyone who opts for an IJ or AJ job. If you take the IJ or AJ job and are truly happy, more power to you. If you take it because you have a crisis of confidence that you can't get the job you want, then I say hang in there and seek counsel--even if its your doppleganger. These pages are populated by folks who have given up (me), forgotten that they ever applied and yes, those whom it was but another notch in their belt. And alot of applicants in between. This process is so much more than applying for the job. It requires introspection and perseverance that transcends the stop sign. Shhhhh private you will give them hope just as Gary and I have all but driven it from their hearts.
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Post by zebra51 on Sept 12, 2014 15:45:17 GMT -5
I did a couple of the IJ apps. Couple of things I noticed with my speculation. 1) No travel paid. This might keep down the number of feds that apply. 2) Individual cities instead of one announcement with location choices. Reason for this is to support no travel paid for feds. If moving from one fed job to another "for convenience of government" then there is a statutory right to relocation benefits. With a list on an app it shows convenience and an individual app/city can meet the analysis for not at convenience. 3) Requires top secret security clearance. This is much more than the ALJ background check and may result in decreased number of applicants (those not wanting to undergo that level of scrutiny). And hopefully give a leg up to those that already have an active top secret clearance.
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Post by wacokid on Sept 12, 2014 18:54:43 GMT -5
I did a couple of the IJ apps. Couple of things I noticed with my speculation. 1) No travel paid. This might keep down the number of feds that apply. 2) Individual cities instead of one announcement with location choices. Reason for this is to support no travel paid for feds. If moving from one fed job to another "for convenience of government" then there is a statutory right to relocation benefits. With a list on an app it shows convenience and an individual app/city can meet the analysis for not at convenience. 3) Requires top secret security clearance. This is much more than the ALJ background check and may result in decreased number of applicants (those not wanting to undergo that level of scrutiny). And hopefully give a leg up to those that already have an active top secret clearance. Not having submitted an ALJ application, I'm curious how the IJ application compares. Particularly given the 3-week turnaround from announcement to deadline, I would also add the requirement to submit three letters of recommendation as another factor that might have kept numbers down, along with the TS clearance requirement, no relocation benefits, and having to apply individually for each locale. On a related note, I see repeated references in the ALJ application threads to "insiders." Are there comparable "insiders" for IJ positions?
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Post by jonsprag1 on Sept 12, 2014 19:36:46 GMT -5
I applied for some of the IJ positions that came open in 2010--the process is definitely easier and quicker--there are no nors or registry---I didn't get an interview though, mainly because I had no experience in immigration law--unlike the SSA judges, where lack of experience in SS law seems to be no bar, in the IJ arena, lack of experience appears to be a deal breaker--that said, why not apply, the worst that can happen is that they say no---and unlike most federal jobs, they will write you a nice letter (not an e-mail) telling you that you didn't get it(even those who didn't interview, like me, get one)--just remember, last time there were about 6000 applicants for 30 positions, so if you don't get an offer, its nothing personal
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Post by wacokid on Sept 12, 2014 23:33:53 GMT -5
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Post by yellowrose on Sept 13, 2014 8:24:44 GMT -5
Those links indicate that 1750 applied and 120 were interviewed. 23 sworn in at one point --hard to tell how many eventually hired. It looks like the process took 11 months.
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Post by jonsprag1 on Sept 13, 2014 11:48:36 GMT -5
whoops--should have said about 2000 rather than 6000---I suspect why it took so long is that it takes about that time to get the security clearence
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Post by agita on Sept 15, 2014 0:02:36 GMT -5
I'm having some trouble with a seemingly contradictory instruction. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The NY immigration judge application says that applications must contain your social security number, but on the saved documents page it says "Do not include the following types of information in your uploaded documents" including your social security number. How should I proceed?
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Post by jessejames on Sept 15, 2014 4:13:44 GMT -5
I would provide your last 4 digits for now. However, if you are given an interview, I would respond with the full number at some point since they will need it to perform a top secret security clearance.
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 15, 2014 5:08:07 GMT -5
When you go through the application manager to submit your documents and fill out the occupational questionnaire, it will prompt you for your SSN.
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Post by jessejames on Sept 15, 2014 6:27:52 GMT -5
You can upload more documents after going to the application manager and they do not have to simply include your saved documents in USAJOBS.
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Post by jafo on Sept 15, 2014 7:33:54 GMT -5
Any ideas why the New York position is held open a week longer than all the other locations?
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 15, 2014 9:26:24 GMT -5
Yes--I applied for many of the positions and was fairly OCD in reading the job postings. When they first posted the NYC position there was a scrivener's error. It said "New City" under the city field instead of "New York City." They took it down and reposted it with the correction, but then it technically became a new posting so they had to start the clock all over again. Good luck, I hope you get an interview!
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Post by hopingforalj on Sept 15, 2014 13:36:50 GMT -5
I found that my transcripts contained the last four digits of my Soc Sec number, I did not see anywhere else to include it, best of luck to all who applied.
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Post by Missundaztood on Sept 15, 2014 14:13:51 GMT -5
FWIW when postings ask for SSN, I include the full number on my resume and cover letter (in the letterhead). That is sort of an old school requirement and all announcements would require it back in the day, expressly on your resume with vacancy number, but now it all depends on the announcement. I think it is easier to include so OPM can just check that box. (I thought I recalled the warning of not including SSN was unless requested). For me it is generally irrelevant bc to get vet's point I need to include a DD-214 etc wc have my SSN anyway. So I figure make it easy for OPM to find if required.
I want to say I recall some folks posting they didn't make it past a certain stage for the ALJ register if they did not include SSN but I very well could be confusing that with just the app process in general (usajobs vs app manager). Good luck!
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Post by hopingforalj on Sept 16, 2014 11:59:29 GMT -5
Hi MissUnderst, can I ask? If you use the USAJOBS.com resume builder I seem to remember at some point either in my profile or resume I had to provide my SSN, my SSN does not show up on my USAJOBS.com resume when I look at it, but is it forwarded to the agency since i provided it to USAJOBS.com on resume? I could not find anywhere else to provide the Dept. Of Justice/Immigration my SSN, the last four digits do appear on my transcripts, thanks in advance, I appreciate your explanations you have already provided. Good luck to all.
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Post by Missundaztood on Sept 16, 2014 13:14:48 GMT -5
Hi MissUnderst, can I ask? If you use the USAJOBS.com resume builder I seem to remember at some point either in my profile or resume I had to provide my SSN, my SSN does not show up on my USAJOBS.com resume when I look at it, but is it forwarded to the agency since i provided it to USAJOBS.com on resume? I could not find anywhere else to provide the Dept. Of Justice/Immigration my SSN, the last four digits do appear on my transcripts, thanks in advance, I appreciate your explanations you have already provided. Good luck to all. Sorry, hoping. I don't have any experience using the usajobs resume builder. I always upload a custom one for the job. But i bet that can be checked with a quick call. There is always contact info at the end of the announcement. I would call just to make sure. I would hate for you to miss out for something so minor. Good luck!
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Post by luckylady2 on Sept 16, 2014 13:51:58 GMT -5
I think what they want is for you to give them the SSN on the actual application where it asks for it, but redact it from the supporting documents that you upload. The supporting documents sit up in a database & can be used for other job applications, so they are more vulnerable.
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Post by hopingforalj on Sept 16, 2014 14:17:27 GMT -5
Thanks Missund, Luck Lady i could not find anywhere in the application to add my Soc Sec number, and I use the USAjobs.com resume builder to submit the resume that i built on USAjobs.com, im just stumped on where to provide them my SSN without uploading a document where i could state my SSN in the doc, and i know they always say not to do that, thanks and as always good luck to all
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Post by hopingforalj on Sept 16, 2014 20:02:50 GMT -5
Sorry ladies and gents, just found out my Social is contained in my resume that i built with USAjobs.com, its just not visible, but again its contained in the resume builder, ok sorry for confusing questions, good luck to all, i enjoy reading of everyones experiences and successes on this board,
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