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Post by zebra51 on Oct 3, 2014 16:16:53 GMT -5
Lets see. I counted at least 40 cities posted. Saw three different HR specialist names for POC. Figure HR specialist 80% productive. Figure an average of 50 unique names per city. Figure an half an hour per unique for HR specialist to process.
40x50x.5= 1000 man/hours 1000/3 = 333 man/hours per HR Specialist 40x.8 = 32 man/hours per week HR Specialist productive
333/32 = 10.4 Weeks for the three HR specialist just to process the apps. Round it off and call it 10 weeks.
Apps closed 9-4/5/8 plus 10 weeks Brings it to approximately Nov 17.
Thanksgiving is the following week and things slow down at that time in the Fed Gov.
My guess at absolute earliest to hear anything is DECEMBER 1, 2014.
Please feel free to check my math and change I disagreeumptions.
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Post by bikingnut on Oct 3, 2014 16:43:41 GMT -5
Lets see. I counted at least 40 cities posted. Saw three different HR specialist names for POC. Figure HR specialist 80% productive. Figure an average of 50 unique names per city. Figure an half an hour per unique for HR specialist to process. 40x50x.5= 1000 man/hours 1000/3 = 333 man/hours per HR Specialist 40x.8 = 32 man/hours per week HR Specialist productive 333/32 = 10.4 Weeks for the three HR specialist just to process the apps. Round it off and call it 10 weeks. Apps closed 9-4/5/8 plus 10 weeks Brings it to approximately Nov 17. Thanksgiving is the following week and things slow down at that time in the Fed Gov. My guess at absolute earliest to hear anything is DECEMBER 1, 2014. Please feel free to check my math and change I disagreeumptions. ok, I found that impressive. Then again, I went to law school because there wasn't any math. There were 48 cities. 50 apps per city might be low but I have no idea, really.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Oct 3, 2014 18:01:54 GMT -5
Lets see. I counted at least 40 cities posted. Saw three different HR specialist names for POC. Figure HR specialist 80% productive. Figure an average of 50 unique names per city. Figure an half an hour per unique for HR specialist to process. 40x50x.5= 1000 man/hours 1000/3 = 333 man/hours per HR Specialist 40x.8 = 32 man/hours per week HR Specialist productive 333/32 = 10.4 Weeks for the three HR specialist just to process the apps. Round it off and call it 10 weeks. Apps closed 9-4/5/8 plus 10 weeks Brings it to approximately Nov 17. Thanksgiving is the following week and things slow down at that time in the Fed Gov. My guess at absolute earliest to hear anything is DECEMBER 1, 2014. Please feel free to check my math and change I disagreeumptions. Sigh. Time for a glass of wine. Make that time to whine.
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Post by hopingforalj on Oct 3, 2014 21:17:25 GMT -5
This reminds me of a friend explaining 3-D math to me, this is impressive.
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Post by bikingnut on Oct 6, 2014 11:40:52 GMT -5
Lets see. I counted at least 40 cities posted. Saw three different HR specialist names for POC. Figure HR specialist 80% productive. Figure an average of 50 unique names per city. Figure an half an hour per unique for HR specialist to process. 40x50x.5= 1000 man/hours 1000/3 = 333 man/hours per HR Specialist 40x.8 = 32 man/hours per week HR Specialist productive 333/32 = 10.4 Weeks for the three HR specialist just to process the apps. Round it off and call it 10 weeks. Apps closed 9-4/5/8 plus 10 weeks Brings it to approximately Nov 17. Thanksgiving is the following week and things slow down at that time in the Fed Gov. My guess at absolute earliest to hear anything is DECEMBER 1, 2014. Please feel free to check my math and change I disagreeumptions. Ok. I did some digging and some of that newfangled math and I have some good news, some bad news, and some more bad news. The good news is that I found 4 HR specialist names listed on the job announcements. I went back to the 2011 announcement (referenced earlier on this thread) of a hire of 23 IJs. OCIJ/OPM received a total of 1750 applications for the 23 openings. I used the same ratio and applied it to the 48 current openings to come up with an estimate of 3648 applications. Using the same formula of 0.5 hours per app and 32 hours per week per HR specialist to work on the apps, I came up with 14.25 weeks (14 weeks plus 8 hours, or 71 work days) However, assuming the HR specialists may have additional administrative tasks, or other things to do, or what if they have to go Christmas shopping, I ran the same calculation using 30 hours per week per HR specialist and came up with 15.2 weeks (15 weeks plus 6.4 hours or 75 work days plus 6.4 hours). Soooooo, if I do worst case scenario and count 76 work days from September 8, I get JANUARY 9, 2015 (I omitted November 27-28, December 24-January 2, and all government holidays). This is WORST CASE, in my opinion. Please feel free to argue with me.
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Post by yellowrose on Oct 6, 2014 12:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by wacokid on Oct 7, 2014 8:13:30 GMT -5
With the caveat that I have never been on the other side selecting, why is so much weight being given to a clerical function in hypothesizing about a timeline? It makes intuitive sense to me that the real decision-makers are likely going through resumes for each opening, segregating out promising ones tentatively to interview, and then having the admins confirm that the potential interviewees have complete "fully qualified" applications (where a few of the tentatives might get dinged). Once that is done, everyone will receive some sort of notification. Doesn't that make more sense?
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Post by hopingforalj on Oct 7, 2014 8:54:14 GMT -5
I always tell people, when dealing with the government time is going to pass anyway, its going to be 18 months from now one day no matter what you do, so get in line and at least you will be in line and 18 months will pass anyway, it keeps my sanity in working with the government, and as always good luck to allllllll
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Post by bikingnut on Oct 7, 2014 8:57:25 GMT -5
With the caveat that I have never been on the other side selecting, why is so much weight being given to a clerical function in hypothesizing about a timeline? It makes intuitive sense to me that the real decision-makers are likely going through resumes for each opening, segregating out promising ones tentatively to int erview, and then having the admins confirm that the potential interviewees have complete "fully qualified" applications (where a few of the tentatives might get dinged). Once that is done, everyone will receive some sort of notification. Doesn't that make more sense? Yes, it makes more sense that way. A lot of things make tons of sense and will absolutely never happen. Like could someone make plastic wrap that doesn't stick to itself and then actually sticks to the bowl you're trying to cover? No. Or why does tomato paste come in cans? It should come in a toothpaste tube. Ok, I'm done now.
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Post by jafo on Oct 7, 2014 9:10:14 GMT -5
I think that the assumption that only the HR specialists listed are reviewing the applications is wrong. I would think that at each step of review the GS number also goes up. The initial applications are reviewed for the very basic information and are tossed for reasons such as inaccuracies, missing/improper documentation or a sense of illiteracy on the part of the applicant or references. Just a guess, but I would think that at least 10-20% of applications are tossed after a brief, cursory review. From there it goes on the long, slow climb up the GS ladder to get to the IJs reviewing the pool of partially vetted candidates. If I was an IJ doing the review and were handed a stack of 500 application packages I'd hand them back to the clerk/aide/secretary/administrative assistant/HR specialist and tell him/her to go through the pile and pick out the best 100 or so. Then, I would do my best to take a look at them in the next 6 months or so.
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Post by hopefalj on Oct 7, 2014 9:10:29 GMT -5
With the caveat that I have never been on the other side selecting, why is so much weight being given to a clerical function in hypothesizing about a timeline? It makes intuitive sense to me that the real decision-makers are likely going through resumes for each opening, segregating out promising ones tentatively to interview, and then having the admins confirm that the potential interviewees have complete "fully qualified" applications (where a few of the tentatives might get dinged). Once that is done, everyone will receive some sort of notification. Doesn't that make more sense? Doesn't that make more sense? Yes. Does that mean that's how it's done? No. HR-types are the ones going through resumes, counting key words, and making sure that the application requirements have been met/complied with. You'll be categorized (highly qualified, qualified, most qualified, etc.) before a hiring official ever sees your info.
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Post by witty on Oct 7, 2014 9:21:22 GMT -5
"Or why does tomato paste come in cans? It should come in a toothpaste tube. Ok, I'm done now."
It does come in tubes and is readily available at many stores. Check Trader Joes or Walmart.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 7, 2014 9:22:51 GMT -5
With the caveat that I have never been on the other side selecting, why is so much weight being given to a clerical function in hypothesizing about a timeline? It makes intuitive sense to me that the real decision-makers are likely going through resumes for each opening, segregating out promising ones tentatively to interview, and then having the admins confirm that the potential interviewees have complete "fully qualified" applications (where a few of the tentatives might get dinged). Once that is done, everyone will receive some sort of notification. Doesn't that make more sense? Doesn't that make more sense? Yes. Does that mean that's how it's done? No. HR-types are the ones going through resumes, counting key words, and making sure that the application requirements have been met/complied with. You'll be categorized (highly qualified, qualified, most qualified, etc.) before a hiring official ever sees your info. This assumes a computer isn't doing it for the HR types.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 7, 2014 9:23:40 GMT -5
"Or why does tomato paste come in cans? It should come in a toothpaste tube. Ok, I'm done now."
It does come in tubes and is readily available at many stores. Check Trader Joes or Walmart. WHAT WIZARDRY IS THIS! Holy Cow I am stopping at Trader Joes on the way home.
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Post by witty on Oct 7, 2014 10:01:42 GMT -5
"Or why does tomato paste come in cans? It should come in a toothpaste tube. Ok, I'm done now."
It does come in tubes and is readily available at many stores. Check Trader Joes or Walmart. WHAT WIZARDRY IS THIS! Holy Cow I am stopping at Trader Joes on the way home. Looks like Trader Joes discontinued its tomato paste in a tube. However, other stores do carry. Try this link for example: www.williams-sonoma.com/products/italian-double-concentrated-tomato-paste/I must stay away from this board - getting obsessive/compulsive. If and when ODAR, does ring my bell, a work reference may say that I do too much non-work related INTERNET surfing and parking on such sites as aljdiscussion.proboards.
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Post by bikingnut on Oct 7, 2014 10:08:26 GMT -5
"Or why does tomato paste come in cans? It should come in a toothpaste tube. Ok, I'm done now."
It does come in tubes and is readily available at many stores. Check Trader Joes or Walmart. Sweet! I clearly live under a rock.
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Post by sealaw90 on Oct 7, 2014 10:28:11 GMT -5
With the caveat that I have never been on the other side selecting, why is so much weight being given to a clerical function in hypothesizing about a timeline? It makes intuitive sense to me that the real decision-makers are likely going through resumes for each opening, segregating out promising ones tentatively to int erview, and then having the admins confirm that the potential interviewees have complete "fully qualified" applications (where a few of the tentatives might get dinged). Once that is done, everyone will receive some sort of notification. Doesn't that make more sense? Yes, it makes more sense that way. A lot of things make tons of sense and will absolutely never happen. Like could someone make plastic wrap that doesn't stick to itself and then actually sticks to the bowl you're trying to cover? No. Or why does tomato paste come in cans? It should come in a toothpaste tube. Ok, I'm done now. For those vets out there, the commissary carries tomato paste in a tube, usually in the foreign/fancy food isle. Next to the tubes of pesto and the tubes of anchovie paste. I can get this at my local grocery store and the fancy grocery store too. Bikingnut, where do you live that they don't have any of this? I feel sorry for you! As for the plastic wrap issue - why does plastic wrap NOT stick to other plastic objects, like my tupperware/ziploc food containers that I 've lost the top to?
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 7, 2014 10:36:30 GMT -5
Amazon carries several varieties I discovered.
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Post by wacokid on Oct 7, 2014 11:19:35 GMT -5
With the caveat that I have never been on the other side selecting, why is so much weight being given to a clerical function in hypothesizing about a timeline? It makes intuitive sense to me that the real decision-makers are likely going through resumes for each opening, segregating out promising ones tentatively to interview, and then having the admins confirm that the potential interviewees have complete "fully qualified" applications (where a few of the tentatives might get dinged). Once that is done, everyone will receive some sort of notification. Doesn't that make more sense? Doesn't that make more sense? Yes. Does that mean that's how it's done? No. HR-types are the ones going through resumes, counting key words, and making sure that the application requirements have been met/complied with. You'll be categorized (highly qualified, qualified, most qualified, etc.) before a hiring official ever sees your info. I know this is not the process in other DOJ components. But in a multiple-opening, extremely high volume scenario like this, perhaps it is, which would be highly unfortunate.
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Post by bikingnut on Oct 7, 2014 12:07:32 GMT -5
Bikingnut, where do you live that they don't have any of this? I feel sorry for you! As for the plastic wrap issue - why does plastic wrap NOT stick to other plastic objects, like my tupperware/ziploc food containers that I 've lost the top to? First of all, I never thought I would learn so much about Italian cooking. Pesto in a tube too? I've seen herb paste in a tube, and of course anchovy paste in a tube, but no tomato paste in a tube. Earth Fare is my new favorite store, maybe I will check there. As for plastic wrap, I found out what it's made of and how it's made: www.uspackagingandwrapping.com/Plastic-Wrap-101-19.html. I don't recommend using it in the microwave and I recommend making sure yours is LDPE in any case.
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