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Post by gary on Oct 15, 2014 12:38:43 GMT -5
According to my NOR letter it goes to 12/20/2015. I believe in the past they have frequently extended the date for the register to expire.
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Post by hopefalj on Oct 15, 2014 12:46:18 GMT -5
i imagine the register will not expire on the current scheduled date. They will likely reopen the application process via refresh rather than end the current register. The last register almost lasted 6 years (I think), but there were multiple refreshes during that time.
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Post by jonsprag1 on Oct 15, 2014 12:56:08 GMT -5
According to my NOR letter it goes to 12/20/2015. I believe in the past they have frequently extended the date for the register to expire. Ditto--we have over a year left and like others have said registers frequently are extended---given the complexity of creating this register, as opposed to past ones, I would expect it to be extended by at least a year (WAG). |
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Post by gary on Oct 15, 2014 14:20:13 GMT -5
If it is extended...Would it be beneficial to stay on the registry or take the exam again and try to score higher? How big a gambler are you? |
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Post by gary on Oct 15, 2014 14:21:49 GMT -5
If it is extended...Would it be beneficial to stay on the registry or take the exam again and try to score higher? What I meant by that is if you take the test again you could wind up with a lower score. Or not make it onto the register at all. |
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Post by 71stretch on Oct 15, 2014 14:21:48 GMT -5
Of course it will be extended. The last one was several times. I still don't think a refresh will come that soon.
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Post by hopefalj on Oct 15, 2014 14:24:38 GMT -5
Personal choice. Odds are you will likely interview before the refresh if your GAL is wide enough. You may well not even need to worry about it.
To me, though, the thought of retesting is unappealing. Over 80% of the applicants were eliminated without making the register. I am not arrogant/confident enough to believe I am a better candidate than those cut in the first three phases or believe that luck did not play a significant role in my landing on the register. I am not going to press my luck and hope I can successfully navigate OPM's obstacle course again, but that could just be me.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 15, 2014 14:59:50 GMT -5
Personal choice. Odds are you will likely interview before the refresh if your GAL is wide enough. You may well not even need to worry about it. To me, though, the thought of retesting is unappealing. Over 80% of the applicants were eliminated without making the register. I am not arrogant/confident enough to believe I am a better candidate than those cut in the first three phases or believe that luck did not play a significant role in my landing on the register. I am not going to press my luck and hope I can successfully navigate OPM's obstacle course again, but that could just be me. Ditto. |
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Post by hopingforalj on Oct 15, 2014 15:57:08 GMT -5
Hopefalj, does a refresh mean they would open back up testing, but still extend the register at the same time? If that is the case, Dec 2015 in government time is right around the corner.
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Post by 71stretch on Oct 15, 2014 16:33:07 GMT -5
Hopefalj, does a refresh mean they would open back up testing, but still extend the register at the same time? If that is the case, Dec 2015 in government time is right around the corner. It's really a separate process, but IF a refresh is going on during the time a register is coming up on an expiration date, the register would be extended. Yes, a refresh means opening the register to new applicants and reapplication for those who want to try to improve their score. |
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Post by orchid on Oct 15, 2014 19:08:19 GMT -5
Let's hope we get news of the second Certs before the "expiration" of this register. Come on OPM, we need you to get this party started!
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Post by lucy on Oct 15, 2014 21:35:52 GMT -5
In the past, has an extension usually been accompanied by a refresh? Weren't there just extensions between 2009 and 2013 without a refresh? I'm waiting on a refresh about as anxiously as a lot of you are waiting on the second cert...
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Post by 71stretch on Oct 16, 2014 2:34:23 GMT -5
In the past, has an extension usually been accompanied by a refresh? Weren't there just extensions between 2009 and 2013 without a refresh? I'm waiting on a refresh about as anxiously as a lot of you are waiting on the second cert... No, they don't have to come together, nor have they historically. Yes, there were extensions between 2009/10 and 2013, with no refresh. The "expiration" and "extension" issue is nothing to be concerned about, for all of you who are new to this application/hiring process. I don't think a refresh is coming as soon as late next year, either. JMO, of course. |
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Post by Ace Midnight on Oct 16, 2014 7:44:50 GMT -5
The building of a new register is the first significant harbinger to the actual expiration of the current one. And we all know that takes over 1 year. So, if the application is reopened (not for a refresh, but a new, full on register) and those of us on the current register are specifically advised to reapply to receive continued consideration - THAT starts the approximately 1 year clock for the current register to expire - and that time is at least 1 year away, at the soonest, and more likely 18 to 24 months from now. So the current register will persist until, at least, October 2016, IMHO.
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Post by lucy on Oct 16, 2014 11:59:39 GMT -5
In the past, has an extension usually been accompanied by a refresh? Weren't there just extensions between 2009 and 2013 without a refresh? I'm waiting on a refresh about as anxiously as a lot of you are waiting on the second cert... No, they don't have to come together, nor have they historically. Yes, there were extensions between 2009/10 and 2013, with no refresh. The "expiration" and "extension" issue is nothing to be concerned about, for all of you who are new to this application/hiring process. I don't think a refresh is coming as soon as late next year, either. JMO, of course. Thanks for your input |
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Post by luckylady2 on Oct 16, 2014 13:53:03 GMT -5
My take on is is that the October 2015 date is really the end of Government FY 2015, which is September 30, and I believe that ODAR's funding to hire was for FY 2014 and 2015. It doesn't really mean anything other than that was the logical date to fill in the blank on the form.
Besides, folks, a year really IS a fairly long time. If ODAR can get 200ish hired by September 30, 2015, it might want the option of extending or refreshing or starting over, depending upon what's left on the register by then.
(BTW Please don't take offense at "what" instead of "who" - I just think that kind of decision is more objective, and "who's left" makes it sound specific to individuals, as if ODAR didn't like certain folks personally, instead of looking at a moth-eaten, picked-over register and deciding it needs more choices.)
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Post by futuressaalj on Oct 17, 2014 7:18:03 GMT -5
The talk of expiration/refresh is premature. Its a different register with a more grueling (and for many unfair) process that took over a year to complete. Likewise, the hiring selection process appears to be just as lengthy and grueling. They have barely touched the surface of the register and with smaller classes this register has enough names to last two to three more years.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Oct 17, 2014 7:41:33 GMT -5
The talk of expiration/refresh is premature. Its a different register with a more grueling (and for many unfair) process that took over a year to complete. Likewise, the hiring selection process appears to be just as lengthy and grueling. They have barely touched the surface of the register and with smaller classes this register has enough names to last two to three more years. EXACTLY. |
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Post by hilltopper on Oct 18, 2014 9:09:05 GMT -5
If it is extended...Would it be beneficial to stay on the registry or take the exam again and try to score higher? How big a gambler are you? Like any game, with proper preparation, you can cheat the odds and do well. I have posted my experience before, but I will try to give a shorter version here. I first applied in 2007 - put down a limited GAL - and took the test/interviewed without any real preparation (imagine taking the bar exam without studying); scored in the mid 50's. Never made even one cert. When they refreshed the register in 2010, they let you either expand your GAL and stick with your score; or if you wanted, retake the test. Heck yeah! Jumped at the chance. Studied different agency decisions for a couple months. Beefed up my resume with appropriate buzz words. Opened up my GAL. It helped; my score went up 18+ points. Made several certs. Apparently did not impress ODAR with my interview skills. Was three-struck and didn't make the last 2 or 3 certs. [Note to self: work on your interview skills.] Applied for this last Register in early 2013. Again studied multiple agency decisions so I could responsed in a format any grader would feel comfortable with. Tried to prepare the best I could for the situational decision/response test and the structured interview. This time score went up another 10+ points. Am I a better attorney than I was 7 years ago? Yeah, probably. Would that alone have gotten me hired? No. Like a trial it's all about preparedness. So, my advice is, if you are willing to treat it like a bar exam or trial, and willing to find and study materials to help you do better, "the Force [will probably] Be With You." It was with me. And I improved almost 30 points from the first time to the third. Sure it's a gamble. But there are ways to increase the odds in your favor. By the way, the disappointment, heartache and anger are worth the final result. I love what I am doing and who I am doing it with. Sure there are challenges and there are a few "Chicken Littles" running around shouting "the sky is falling." But if you want it, it's truly worth it. It's 26.2 miles folks! ht |
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Post by lucy on Oct 18, 2014 11:38:59 GMT -5
How big a gambler are you? Like any game, with proper preparation, you can cheat the odds and do well. I have posted my experience before, but I will try to give a shorter version here. I first applied in 2007 - put down a limited GAL - and took the test/interviewed without any real preparation (imagine taking the bar exam without studying); scored in the mid 50's. Never made even one cert. When they refreshed the register in 2010, they let you either expand your GAL and stick with your score; or if you wanted, retake the test. Heck yeah! Jumped at the chance. Studied different agency decisions for a couple months. Beefed up my resume with appropriate buzz words. Opened up my GAL. It helped; my score went up 18+ points. Made several certs. Apparently did not impress ODAR with my interview skills. Was three-struck and didn't make the last 2 or 3 certs. [Note to self: work on your interview skills.] Applied for this last Register in early 2013. Again studied multiple agency decisions so I could responsed in a format any grader would feel comfortable with. Tried to prepare the best I could for the situational decision/response test and the structured interview. This time score went up another 10+ points. Am I a better attorney than I was 7 years ago? Yeah, probably. Would that alone have gotten me hired? No. Like a trial it's all about preparedness. So, my advice is, if you are willing to treat it like a bar exam or trial, and willing to find and study materials to help you do better, "the Force [will probably] Be With You." It was with me. And I improved almost 30 points from the first time to the third. Sure it's a gamble. But there are ways to increase the odds in your favor. By the way, the disappointment, heartache and anger are worth the final result. I love what I am doing and who I am doing it with. Sure there are challenges and there are a few "Chicken Littles" running around shouting "the sky is falling." But if you want it, it's truly worth it. It's 26.2 miles folks! ht HT, thanks for the encouragement and advice from someone who is trying to get prepared for the marathon, whenever it starts again. |
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