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Post by ksrunner on Nov 5, 2014 15:46:46 GMT -5
Just received an email that I am on the 2nd cert for one city. Personal circumstances have changed somewhat since the application process, and I'm not sure if this city will work out or not. Am I best off declining to interview for this cert., or am I better off interviewing and then, if offered, potentially declining the position?
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Post by Gaidin on Nov 5, 2014 15:49:25 GMT -5
Well obviously you have to make the best decision for you and your family. However, the conventional Board wisdom is that if you decline a position that is offered you have probably precluded yourself from getting hired on this register. I don't know that to be true but that is the conventional wisdom.
If it was me and I knew I would decline the offer if it was extended I would decline it now.
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Post by gary on Nov 5, 2014 15:50:21 GMT -5
What Gaidin said.
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Post by ksrunner on Nov 5, 2014 16:02:40 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. They are very helpful.
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Post by luckylady2 on Nov 5, 2014 16:10:15 GMT -5
Ditto (or is the 3rd thritto?)
Be aware that if you strike a city for which you are on the cert, you can't add it back in later unless or until they allow a "refresh" of the register. But if the city really won't work out, then that might not be much of a concern at all.
That said, if you get to the point of an actual job offer and decline it, as Gaidin said, conventional wisdom is that you essentially aren't going to be hired for any city unless or until they start a new register (and you go through all the hoops again to get on it).
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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 5, 2014 16:16:13 GMT -5
Just received an email that I am on the 2nd cert for one city. Personal circumstances have changed somewhat since the application process, and I'm not sure if this city will work out or not. Am I best off declining to interview for this cert., or am I better off interviewing and then, if offered, potentially declining the position? More on this exact issue here: aljdiscussion.proboards.com/post/65046 |
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Post by chessparent on Nov 5, 2014 16:24:20 GMT -5
Put another way, you want to stay in the game but you don't want to play this round. If you just decline a city, you have only taken yourself out of contention for that city. However, if you start declining actual offers, you may jeopardize your standing to get another offer down the road.
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 6, 2014 0:56:13 GMT -5
The email says, if I recall correctly, that if you decline two offers you are suspended from the register. If you know this one city won't work, decline at this stage, and wait for another cert with choices you can accept.
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Post by itsrealnow on Nov 6, 2014 19:36:41 GMT -5
I know I'm late to this thread, but I had the same dumb question. I was only offered one city and would really like to go, but the timing is now problematic for personal reasons. I don't want to be banned from this location until a reshuffle and I have a hard time believing the "conventional wisdom." I know someone from the first cert who turned down an offer, and he seemed convinced by whomever he talked to that it was not a death sentence for this register. I guess I'll try to get more information from him. Nobody has ever heard of someone turning down an offer and getting hired? I guess not.
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 6, 2014 19:40:51 GMT -5
I makes me think of that line from the 1st Godfather movie. "I made him an offer he could not refuse." While I'm not suggesting that SSA has this type of mentality, does anyone really want to risk a possible career transition by saying no? Not me.
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Post by bucksfan on Nov 6, 2014 20:45:07 GMT -5
Why the reluctance to call Bobby G and ask if a question comes up? He's not the Queen of England. I think you will find that he will be happy to answer your questions. Consider it a test. Sometimes, an ALJ must ask tough questions.
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Post by itsrealnow on Nov 6, 2014 20:49:33 GMT -5
FYI - I checked back in with my friend from the first cert who turned down an offer. He was told, very specifically, that rejecting the offer would not preclude a future offer, and he is now up for two locations in the second cert. Of course, he scored 8 point higher than me in testing and is otherwise a truly exceptional candidate... Therefore, what applies to him might not apply to everyone.
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Post by funkyodar on Nov 6, 2014 21:21:55 GMT -5
Well, there's the technical, official answer and then there is the rubber meets the road answer.
Officially, the rule is if you turn down two offers you are suspended from the register for a year. Think that is right anyway.
Then there is the fact that an employer offered you a job in a location you would have twice said you would accept and then you turned it down causing them more hassle. Official rule notwithstanding, I'd think that would get someone moved from my "want" list to my "fooled me once" list. Personally never heard of someone getting a second after turning down a first.
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Post by itsrealnow on Nov 6, 2014 22:02:21 GMT -5
thanks for the feedback. It certainly can't help to reject an offer, and the fact that nobody has reported receiving an offer after rejecting one is very compelling. I would desperately like to interview and take more time to figure out whether this location is viable, but it's probably not worth the risk. It is interesting, however, that one person (whom I know and trust) asked the question and was convinced by the person who answered that rejecting the offer would not hurt his chances in the future.... ok let me go play power ball and stop thinking about this.
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 6, 2014 22:08:45 GMT -5
I guess the question begs; if you were not really willing to accept an offer for that particular city, why would you have listed on your GAL? Better yet, just strike it now as one of the locations you decline to accept.
Growing up I remember the old adage, or something to that effect, if you turned down an offer, it would never be repeated.
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Post by grassgreener on Nov 7, 2014 7:26:15 GMT -5
thanks for the feedback. It certainly can't help to reject an offer, and the fact that nobody has reported receiving an offer after rejecting one is very compelling. I would desperately like to interview and take more time to figure out whether this location is viable, but it's probably not worth the risk. It is interesting, however, that one person (whom I know and trust) asked the question and was convinced by the person who answered that rejecting the offer would not hurt his chances in the future.... ok let me go play power ball and stop thinking about this. it has happened to a colleague - rejecting an offer and then making another cert to receive an offer - |
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 7, 2014 8:05:04 GMT -5
I guess the question begs; if you were not really willing to accept an offer for that particular city, why would you have listed on your GAL? Better yet, just strike it now as one of the locations you decline to accept. Growing up I remember the old adage, or something to that effect, if you turned down an offer, it would never be repeated. As the OP said, circumstances change while we are wading through this process. I'm doing some heavy weeding on my city list with this cert, as I don't want to be in the position of declining an offer. Better to do it now than later. |
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Post by Gaidin on Nov 7, 2014 9:51:33 GMT -5
I guess the question begs; if you were not really willing to accept an offer for that particular city, why would you have listed on your GAL? Better yet, just strike it now as one of the locations you decline to accept. Growing up I remember the old adage, or something to that effect, if you turned down an offer, it would never be repeated. As the OP said, circumstances change while we are wading through this process. I'm doing some heavy weeding on my city list with this cert, as I don't want to be in the position of declining an offer. Better to do it now than later. We applied in March of 2013. At the current rate of movement somebody if not lots of somebodies that will be interviewed next week will be hired more than 2 years after they hit send on their application. Lots of stuff changes in 2 years. I don't begrudge anybody putting cities on their GAL initially. I wish I had been less selective. I think at this point where the rubber meets the road you have to be more selective but we are at an entirely different point in the process. |
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Post by itsrealnow on Nov 7, 2014 10:44:57 GMT -5
Yes things can change... dramatically... just kicking myself for not being sufficiently prepared to deal with the new cert under changed circumstances. oh well watchagonnado.
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Post by sealaw90 on Nov 26, 2014 9:59:27 GMT -5
Bump - in light of a similar thread started today
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