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Post by useorlose on Nov 8, 2014 10:03:38 GMT -5
I'm looking for some advice or info about when SSA will contact my supervisor and when folks have told their current bosses. I haven't told her yet that I've applied for the job, and now I have an interview on the 17th. My docs are due by the 12th, probably will send them in on Monday the 10th. Thanks, couldn't survive without this board.
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Post by anotherfed on Nov 8, 2014 10:45:21 GMT -5
I told mine after I got the call. Even if you don't get an offer this round, current supervisors need to know it's a possibility.
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Post by orchid on Nov 8, 2014 11:19:39 GMT -5
I told mine after I got the call. Even if you don't get an offer this round, current supervisors need to know its a possibility. Me too. Just easier then them being surprised IMHO.
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Post by meanmom on Nov 8, 2014 11:35:03 GMT -5
I submitted my paperwork yesterday morning. I got text this morning that my some of my references have already been called. They are moving fast.
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Post by mamaru on Nov 8, 2014 11:44:11 GMT -5
I think you want your supervisor to know before the phone rings. FYI there is information elsewhere on the Board about the questions asked. You may want to access that and give your references a heads up about what will be covered.
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Post by aljwishful on Nov 8, 2014 11:51:20 GMT -5
Tell the boss ASAP once the paperwork goes in it will go out to the agency that does the background check. You don't want your boss to be surprised.
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Post by FlaTreeFarm on Nov 8, 2014 13:24:26 GMT -5
What about the option of not contacting the current supervisor? Is there some negative to selecting that option?
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Post by mamaru on Nov 8, 2014 14:42:26 GMT -5
I think it depends somewhat on if you are inside SSA or out. I have been told that there is a negative inference if you suggest that option when you are an insider because, let's face it, everyone knows you are in the running. On the other hand, as an outsider, I think you can always take the position that since you have not received an offer you would prefer that your current employer not be contacted. Period. If you have a good performance evaluation, it should not hurt you.
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Post by FlaTreeFarm on Nov 8, 2014 15:03:35 GMT -5
Thanks mamaru! I still look at this as a bit of a longshot, so I don't want to poison the well. If and when I receive an offer, of course they will find out immediately!
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 8, 2014 17:04:32 GMT -5
IMHO, it also depends on the nature of your employer. I worked at one place where the top brass were so vindictive; if they found out you were looking elsewhere, that was a sign of disloyalty and they would find a reason to can you. In their view, loyalty is not earned, it's demanded based on their position above you.
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Post by lucy on Nov 8, 2014 18:39:35 GMT -5
IMHO, it also depends on the nature of your employer. I worked at one place where the top brass were so vindictive; if they found out you were looking elsewhere, that was a sign of disloyalty and they would find a reason to can you. In their view, loyalty is not earned, it's demanded based on their position above you. Ditto, except at some firms, the disloyalty of looking elsewhere would be the reason for termination--no ambiguity or pretext about it.
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Post by anotherfed on Nov 8, 2014 18:49:20 GMT -5
IMHO, it also depends on the nature of your employer. I worked at one place where the top brass were so vindictive; if they found out you were looking elsewhere, that was a sign of disloyalty and they would find a reason to can you. In their view, loyalty is not earned, it's demanded based on their position above you. Ditto, except at some firms, the disloyalty of looking elsewhere would be the reason for termination--no ambiguity or pretext about it. While that is true about some law firms (and for some, justifiably so, since they fear loss of clients to a new firm), this is a very different situation. This is not about jumping ship and going to a competitor. This is about becoming an administrative law judge. For most firms and other employers, I think they would view favorably the reflected glory of an ALJ as one of their alums. After all, their training and investment in you nurtured you into the fine judge you will be... So, you might be surprised.
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 8, 2014 18:53:42 GMT -5
Well, the place I referred to is a government entity, so they have come up with some pretextual reason(s) to justify the discharge. Unfortunate that many persons in positions of power have absolutely no clue about leadership. Their egos are so big; all they care about is how much power they have and how they can use it. They have absolutely no concern for their troops.
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Post by mamaru on Nov 8, 2014 22:04:28 GMT -5
Certainly some employers take the high road, but I was accused of disloyalty when I applied to law school, which I would consider an equally positive move reflecting well on an employer. Fortunately I got in because my relationship with my immediate supervisor soured immediately, and I could not do anything right. It was awful. Perhaps that experience colors my perspective.
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 8, 2014 22:38:05 GMT -5
Mamaru:
Understand completely.
The folks I referred to probably never had a leadership position before being elevated to the boss role. My experience has been that attorneys generally make poor leaders. They have been in the trenches for so long and when they finally get the boss position, the power goes to their heads. Of course, the slow job market also empowered them to act without concern as there are plenty of applicants for each opening. You might only believe the conditions if you were actually exposed to the circumstances. So many folks at that agency are looking for other positions and morale is in the dumps.
That being the case, I would be reluctant to have the current supervisor contacted as you could jeopardize your job.
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Post by mamaru on Nov 9, 2014 9:45:11 GMT -5
The boss who dissed me was a retired AF full-bird colonel. He had plenty of leadership experience. He also had a major ego.
It's an individual situation. However, the person posting had reservations, for whatever reason, or the question would not have hit the board. I can understand not wanting to risk it if your gut is telling you there could be a problem and expect the Agency understands that not all the employers can be expected to take the high road described above.
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Post by linky on Nov 9, 2014 12:47:51 GMT -5
I hate the fact they call your boss before you have a job offer. It happened to me on the first cert and it has been a career limiting move for sure. My boss has repeatedly said "since you're looking for a job...." and then given a good opportunity to my subordinate. It really sucks and it seems no matter what you say, they think you are leaving and trying to hide it.
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Post by zepplin on Nov 9, 2014 13:05:43 GMT -5
I hate the fact they call your boss before you have a job offer. It happened to me on the first cert and it has been a career limiting move for sure. My boss has repeatedly said "since you're looking for a job...." and then given a good opportunity to my subordinate. It really sucks and it seems no matter what you say, they think you are leaving and trying to hide it. Same experience here.
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Post by meanmom on Nov 9, 2014 17:52:14 GMT -5
I, like Sir, am lucky to have a supervisor that is happy for me. He has been very supportive and understands that the ALJ position is a great opportunity that does not come along very often. I am sorry for those candidates that do not have the same support from their supervisors. As if this process was not stressful enough you now have to worry about what your supervisor will say about you and the potential impact are your current job. I wish you all the best of luck!!!
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Post by privateatty on Nov 9, 2014 17:52:49 GMT -5
I hate the fact they call your boss before you have a job offer. It happened to me on the first cert and it has been a career limiting move for sure. My boss has repeatedly said "since you're looking for a job...." and then given a good opportunity to my subordinate. It really sucks and it seems no matter what you say, they think you are leaving and trying to hide it. Perhaps a better tack then just having to listen to this boorish behavior would be to educate your boss. Advise him/her that this is the only opportunity to become a Judge (and fulfilling a life long dream) and really make a difference as a government servant. Invite him/her to put themselves in your shoes. If your boss is unwilling to listen to anything you have to say in this regard, you have my unqualified sympathies.
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