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Post by Who Me? on Nov 9, 2014 22:47:28 GMT -5
One of my former colleagues, who got picked up on the 1st cert., specified that he/she did not want the current supervisor contacted. For whatever reason, the interviewer called the office about another candidate and said while they had the supervisor available, they wanted to know about my former colleague. Fortunately, he/she was picked up by SSA, otherwise I'm sure he/she would be filing for unemployment benefits and searching for a new job. This goes back to my earlier posts about demanded loyalty.
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 9, 2014 23:14:39 GMT -5
To all you folks who have supervisors understanding and supportive. You are lucky. I agree, that great leaders understand they will not be there forever and look forward to people moving up to replace them. However, that may be the exception rather than the case.
I've been fortunate to have some great mentors over the years and understand how leadership and not power really marks the person for success. Care for your people and they will follow you to hell!!! Treat them as just people following a superior person: get a bullet in the back of the head.
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Post by steelrain on Nov 10, 2014 10:08:20 GMT -5
Ditto, except at some firms, the disloyalty of looking elsewhere would be the reason for termination--no ambiguity or pretext about it. While that is true about some law firms (and for some, justifiably so, since they fear loss of clients to a new firm), this is a very different situation. This is not about jumping ship and going to a competitor. This is about becoming an administrative law judge. For most firms and other employers, I think they would view favorably the reflected glory of an ALJ as one of their alums. After all, their training and investment in you nurtured you into the fine judge you will be... So, you might be surprised. My experience in private practice is that the managing partner is more concerned with replacing your $400,000 plus a year in receivables (and equity partner profits) then the good will of having an alum that is now a judge...
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Post by linky on Nov 10, 2014 10:52:20 GMT -5
Steelrain, I agree, it is easier for Government employees. This ALJ position is the only job I ever remember applying for where they call your current supervisor before they make an offer, I wish the offer was contingent on the final reference then it would not be so career damaging. If I could make one recommendation in the process, this would be it.
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Post by hopefalj on Nov 10, 2014 10:59:51 GMT -5
Sorry about the annoying question, but are they asking supervisors the same questions they ask references? Are people I worked for over 10 years ago for 2-3 months or in a non-legal capacity really expected to know this stuff?
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Post by chinook on Nov 10, 2014 11:02:41 GMT -5
Who Me, with all due respect, I hope if you ever become a judge you will hear cases without use of inaccurate sterotyping you used to disparage Vietnam Veterans and OCS graduates.
So this doesn't look out of place, the offensive comment was removed after I posted this.
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 10, 2014 18:06:22 GMT -5
Sorry about the annoying question, but are they asking supervisors the same questions they ask references? Are people I worked for over 10 years ago for 2-3 months or in a non-legal capacity really expected to know this stuff? In the past they asked the supervisor and the references the same questions. I don't know if it will change.
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Post by Who Me? on Nov 10, 2014 18:16:40 GMT -5
Chinook:
Sorry if I offended you. It was not my intent to disparage anyone or any group.
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Post by jonsprag1 on Nov 10, 2014 20:27:43 GMT -5
I guess I most be one of the lucky ones--I told my supervisor when I made the register and then again when I made the cert---she is incredibly supportive and I have no problem with her knowing and being contacted--others in my office who have left for other opportunities have all had similar experiences--we are encouraged to seek professional advancement outside the agency when we have the chance---
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Post by hopeful41 on Nov 13, 2014 9:19:50 GMT -5
When I submitted my paperwork, I checked the option to submit my most recent eval in lieu of contacting my current supervisor. I didn't tell my supervisor until I got the offer. Since I got the position, it appears no negative inference was drawn.
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Post by sealaw90 on Nov 13, 2014 12:27:34 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this hopeful. I was just discussing the pros and cons of supervisor vs. recent eval with my spouse last night. We decided it would be better to submit 'awesome' eval that I write and supervisor agrees with than chance the phone reference where he might inadvertently say the wrong thing.
It's not because my supervisor and I don't get along per se, but he is not a supportive supervisor in the area of career advancement. Glad to hear no negative inference drawn. i hope you are enjoying your new ALJ gig!
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Post by Gaidin on Nov 14, 2014 16:17:28 GMT -5
bumping this above black magic hexes. I feel like someone is trying to capitalize on out competitive and paranoid natures by selling us hoodoo.
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