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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 9, 2014 10:52:43 GMT -5
I had former supervisors that I was unable to get in touch with, although most received a narrative of what I've been up to over the past x years. My main hope is that if they aren't returning my emails or calls, they won't be returning the contractor's. I wonder if there's a minimum amount of time you need to work somewhere before they'll contact that supervisor. No minimum as far as I know. I had a 6 week paid temp summer job at a firm in my last year of law school at the edge of the 15 years and they contacted that supervisor! So if it is on your paperwork, it is apparently fair game. wow - you still had that information!! I gotta tell you , there are some supervisors that I really don't want to list or have no idea where they are now (retired military folks) - what about those gaps at the edge of the 15 years?
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 9, 2014 10:54:56 GMT -5
No minimum as far as I know. I had a 6 week paid temp summer job at a firm in my last year of law school at the edge of the 15 years and they contacted that supervisor! So if it is on your paperwork, it is apparently fair game. wow - you still had that information!! I gotta tell you , there are some supervisors that I really don't want to list or have no idea where they are now (retired military folks) - what about those gaps at the edge of the 15 years? Leave them blank as you might no longer have the information or know if your supervisor still works there sealaw. They will only contact those they have all the information to contact on.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Dec 9, 2014 11:06:19 GMT -5
No minimum as far as I know. I had a 6 week paid temp summer job at a firm in my last year of law school at the edge of the 15 years and they contacted that supervisor! So if it is on your paperwork, it is apparently fair game. wow - you still had that information!! I gotta tell you , there are some supervisors that I really don't want to list or have no idea where they are now (retired military folks) - what about those gaps at the edge of the 15 years? I keep all my former applications for jobs and the last one from 2007 (actually 2006 since it took forever to be hired) from my ODAR app had most of that info on it. So it was a matter of dusting off the box and transcribing, and then trying to locate those people. Most of them were at the same jobs, but several had changed multiple times and stalking skills (I refer to Bob stalking skills, not the criminal kind came in handy. LOL!
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 9, 2014 12:09:49 GMT -5
mpd - Thanks, I will have to go that route for some folks.
sratty - Not fair! If YOU work at SSA and THEY work at SSA, then you can find them, even if they are not at the same job via those stalking skills! God Bless you - you've been at SSA forever, LOL!! That sure is saying it's not such a bad gig afterall.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Dec 9, 2014 12:32:12 GMT -5
mpd - Thanks, I will have to go that route for some folks. sratty - Not fair! If YOU work at SSA and THEY work at SSA, then you can find them, even if they are not at the same job via those stalking skills! God Bless you - you've been at SSA forever, LOL!! That sure is saying it's not such a bad gig afterall. LOL! It is a GREAT gig. Even if I do not get an ALJ offer, I still have the best legal job around, work at home 3 days a week, OT when offered, generous leave, etc. Beats the heck out of billable hours, late nights, late night calls, and worse.... ER work with the never ending air life flights bringing in trauma patients. Yep... I like this job much better. But I was referring to stalking folks who do not work at SSA. Former nursing supervisors and former legal job supervisors who play rotating firms way too often and fail to keep their bar info updated for easy locating.
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Post by Propmaster on Dec 9, 2014 15:08:50 GMT -5
My references have started to get calls on me. I wasn't worried - I just figured they hadn't bothered (any of them) to tell me. But I guess I'm toward the end.
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Post by anotherfed on Dec 9, 2014 19:04:30 GMT -5
I provided mine not only with a copy of the questions, but also an updated resume, and summary of why I had asked for them to be a reference. For example, I reminded my mentor that he had a history with me going back to law school and was the only reference who had known me that long, I reminded a professional reference that she had actually observed me conduct hearings, I reminded a coworker who was a former group sup that she could speak to my productivity. I think it helps if they know what "piece" of your personal puzzle they are in a unique (or at least special) position to provide. mamaru, you rock! I bet every one of those references loved speaking on your behalf...
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Post by mamaru on Dec 10, 2014 1:31:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the vote of confidence. As of today, they have spoken to a total of five former supervisors/references. Quite a few more to go.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 10, 2014 8:51:16 GMT -5
I provided mine not only with a copy of the questions, but also an updated resume, and summary of why I had asked for them to be a reference. For example, I reminded my mentor that he had a history with me going back to law school and was the only reference who had known me that long, I reminded a professional reference that she had actually observed me conduct hearings, I reminded a coworker who was a former group sup that she could speak to my productivity. I think it helps if they know what "piece" of your personal puzzle they are in a unique (or at least special) position to provide. I agree with AnotherFed; Mamaru gives excellent advice. This is the way to do it. For those of you who haven't had your references checked, it might be a good idea to follow Mamaru's plan. I have been on the receiving end of many reference checks, both by the contractors and in the old days when done by the FBI. Always good to be reminded of specific facts by the candidate.
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 10, 2014 10:10:09 GMT -5
I think there were many people on this Board that followed a plan like Mamaru did, if they were smart. It was what I did it and a few other people I personally know also did it. If you leave it up to chance without touching base and updating your references on what you have been up to and doing, you are only hurting your own chances of being hired.
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Post by tbunlaw on Dec 11, 2014 15:34:38 GMT -5
Has anyone run into the situation where a reference gets so frustrated with the reference que that they just stop trying? One of my judicial references told me he has been unable to directly connect with the caller, does not have time to sit on hold, and wants me to let him know if I have an alternative contact number. Thoughts?
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Post by Missundaztood on Dec 11, 2014 15:44:12 GMT -5
Has anyone run into the situation where a reference gets so frustrated with the reference que that they just stop trying? One of my judicial references told me he has been unable to directly connect with the caller, does not have time to sit on hold, and wants me to let him know if I have an alternative contact number. Thoughts? I seem to recall that in the past references were able to email back responses. That might be a better option. I am sorry I cannot recall more specifics.
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Post by happy on Dec 11, 2014 15:44:12 GMT -5
I have provided a number of references for people over the years, most recently last Monday (12/1), and I have never had a problem getting hold of the caller, never been put on hold for more than a minute. However, I have had the occasion to call one back and be told that they already had enough responses and did not need my reference, leaving me with the impression that they are supposed to contact "x" number of references. My suggestion, though, would be to have your reference call them around 8-9 a.m. or around 3-4 p.m. EST. Good luck!
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Post by tbunlaw on Dec 11, 2014 16:46:07 GMT -5
Thanks Miss and Happy. I wonder where they would email responses to? Happy, I will make that suggestion to the judge. By the way, Happy, love the beard--looks just like my son when he came home for Thanksgiving.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Dec 11, 2014 17:26:23 GMT -5
Thanks Miss and Happy. I wonder where they would email responses to? Happy, I will make that suggestion to the judge. By the way, Happy, love the beard--looks just like my son when he came home for Thanksgiving. The email will come TO the reference if they cannot reach them by telephone. I had one of my references tell me they were not able to answer the call but they received an email after a few missed calls. The email option will be initiated by the contractor.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Dec 11, 2014 17:34:57 GMT -5
FYI, they're still calling references as of this afternoon around 3 pm. I just heard from one of my judges that he got the call. I think only half of mine have been called so far.
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Post by mamaru on Dec 11, 2014 18:08:47 GMT -5
One of my references had the experience of calling back repeatedly, only to be put into voicemail. I think this system is not for busy judges/lawyers who don't spend all day at the desk fielding phone inquiries.
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Post by lizdarcy on Dec 11, 2014 18:27:58 GMT -5
Two of my references said they "played phone tag" with the contractor for a few days but eventually they connected.
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Post by tbunlaw on Dec 11, 2014 19:00:02 GMT -5
Thanks Miss and Happy. I wonder where they would email responses to? Happy, I will make that suggestion to the judge. By the way, Happy, love the beard--looks just like my son when he came home for Thanksgiving. The email will come TO the reference if they cannot reach them by telephone. I had one of my references tell me they were not able to answer the call but they received an email after a few missed calls. The email option will be initiated by the contractor.
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Post by tbunlaw on Dec 11, 2014 19:00:33 GMT -5
Thanks Sratty. That's good to know!
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