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Post by Gaidin on Apr 29, 2015 9:49:58 GMT -5
Maybe the better question is, in how many years will they open a new register so we can try again? I think you may see a refresh sometime in the next 12 months.
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Post by keepsake on Apr 29, 2015 10:44:35 GMT -5
If Gaidin is right, which I feel is a distinct possibility, it would effectively moot any pending appeals in all likelihood. I would imagine that OPM would give those appealing a choice - maintain your appeal OR file a new application on a refresh.
Not to be too cynical, but if true, wouldn't that make OPM's job much easier than resolving all the appeals? How many folks would not take advantage of an opportunity to submit a new application? However, without knowing what, if anything, one did wrong on the initial application, one could conceivably make the same mistake again. But this latter point presumes (likely incorrectly) that one would not get a substantive response in enough detail on an appeal determination to let one know how to correct any mistakes or omissions.
And so the merry-go-round plays on . . . .
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 29, 2015 10:53:21 GMT -5
Maybe the better question is, in how many years will they open a new register so we can try again? I think you may see a refresh sometime in the next 12 months. It's possible "G", however, it is more likely SSA will ask OPM to allow people to adjust their GALs first prior to asking for a refresh.
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Post by bookman on Apr 29, 2015 10:58:09 GMT -5
Forgive me if this question has been asked and answered, but my understanding is that the register expires at the end of the year. If it is refreshed, what happens, if it is not does the whole application process start from scratch?
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 29, 2015 11:06:17 GMT -5
Basically a refresh allows those on the present Register to remain without taking the whole process over and allows new applicants to start the whole application process from the start. If someone on the present Register wanted to change their NOR score, he/she could start the whole process over thereby deleting their existing NOR score on the Register. While a new application process (closing out the previous Register) would require everyone (including those on the present Register) to start from scratch in the process. I hope this answers your question bookman.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 29, 2015 11:08:02 GMT -5
I agree superbonbon that would be a tough choice to make.
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Post by bookman on Apr 29, 2015 11:10:54 GMT -5
Yes that helps much, thanks
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Post by luckylady2 on Apr 29, 2015 11:12:52 GMT -5
No, the register doesn't expire until OPM decides it needs a new one, and puts out a notice to hire for a new register. This register took just about exactly a year to build and at its beginning had somewhere in the range of 800-900 people on it. There's still lots of names sitting on the register - all people that OPM has certified as being capable of filling an ALJ position. So it's not likely that OPM will retire or "expire" the current register at the end of this year (fiscal (Sept 30) or calendar).
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 29, 2015 11:15:44 GMT -5
If Gaidin is right, which I feel is a distinct possibility, it would effectively moot any pending appeals in all likelihood. I would imagine that OPM would give those appealing a choice - maintain your appeal OR file a new application on a refresh. Not to be too cynical, but if true, wouldn't that make OPM's job much easier than resolving all the appeals? How many folks would not take advantage of an opportunity to submit a new application? However, without knowing what, if anything, one did wrong on the initial application, one could conceivably make the same mistake again. But this latter point presumes (likely incorrectly) that one would not get a substantive response in enough detail on an appeal determination to let one know how to correct any mistakes or omissions. And so the merry-go-round plays on . . . . My understanding is that when they allowed a refresh before that was the choice they gave people before. MPD you may be right and that GAL expansion will be offered first. My guess is that they will look at how big the poll is and try to figure out how to best increase GAL spread.
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 29, 2015 11:28:36 GMT -5
Forgive me if this question has been asked and answered, but my understanding is that the register expires at the end of the year. If it is refreshed, what happens, if it is not does the whole application process start from scratch? The register expiration date can and will be extended. It was done several times with the last register. I agree that, given past practice, they will allow a GAL adjustment, which costs them virtually nothing, before they will go through a refresh.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 29, 2015 11:34:47 GMT -5
And I would add that I do not see any of these things happening until they hire the already in progress 150 the remaining fiscal and the 250 planned for the next fiscal. They are already on a roll and these processes all take a very long time to put into place. Perhaps somewhere in fiscal 2016 I could see a GAL expansion as that would not be costly, but we really have no idea how many people are truly on the register and how low the scores go. The guesses of 800-900 are just that... our guesses. There has never been confirmation from OPM about how many are on the register and they have never disclosed that to SSA/ODAR.
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Post by hopefalj on Apr 29, 2015 11:49:09 GMT -5
Basically a refresh allows those on the present Register to remain without taking the whole process over and allows new applicants to start the whole application process from the start. If someone on the present Register wanted to change their NOR score, he/she could start the whole process over thereby deleting their existing NOR score on the Register. While a new application process (closing out the previous Register) would require everyone (including those on the present Register) to start from scratch in the process. I hope this answers your question bookman. It also allows someone on the current register to update their GAL and add locations, which is why a refresh might happen sooner than later. It would accomplish three things: (1) extinguish most of the underlying appeals by having those folks choose to begin the process anew; (2) allow current folks to expand their GALs to become more reachable if they choose and continued to let ODAR hire while the new applicants run the gauntlet; and (3) refreshes the register with a bunch more folks a year or two down the road once ODAR has gone through the current register. Because of (1), OPM might be more amenable to refreshing than in years past given the thousands of likely appeals pending.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 29, 2015 12:26:06 GMT -5
Basically a refresh allows those on the present Register to remain without taking the whole process over and allows new applicants to start the whole application process from the start. If someone on the present Register wanted to change their NOR score, he/she could start the whole process over thereby deleting their existing NOR score on the Register. While a new application process (closing out the previous Register) would require everyone (including those on the present Register) to start from scratch in the process. I hope this answers your question bookman. It also allows someone on the current register to update their GAL and add locations, which is why a refresh might happen sooner than later. It would accomplish three things: (1) extinguish most of the underlying appeals by having those folks choose to begin the process anew; (2) allow current folks to expand their GALs to become more reachable if they choose and continued to let ODAR hire while the new applicants run the gauntlet; and (3) refreshes the register with a bunch more folks a year or two down the road once ODAR has gone through the current register. Because of (1), OPM might be more amenable to refreshing than in years past given the thousands of likely appeals pending. A refresh wouldn't necessarily extinguish the appeals. A refresh doesn't say those on the Register or who tried to get on the Register must start over. Those appeals would not go away hopefalj. Only if the applicant decided to start the process over would the appeal be moot. Only the closing of the existing Register would extinguish those appeals and anyone who is on the present Register. OPM is not going to do that or there will be no candidates for SSA to choose from for offers. Now, if my appeal was pending from the first or second stage I would start over, but if my appeal was from the third stage, I might want to take my chances on the appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 12:31:13 GMT -5
I suppose the question most relevant to my interests is, how much will the current register need to dwindle before OPM decides to act on some appeals.
It's still crazy to me (because I'm biased, I suppose) that they want to address all appeals at once. Mine could legitimately be decided in five minutes without any need for additional grading or testing. It's a very narrow, technical issue.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 29, 2015 12:35:26 GMT -5
I don't disagree superbonbon, frankly I see OPM starting to look at the appeals toward the end of this fiscal year or beginning of the next fiscal year IMHO. I continue to wish you luck my Board friend. I still need luck acquiring an offer....LOL. You can't get on the Register and I can't get an offer from the Register.
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Post by Loopstok on Apr 29, 2015 12:38:41 GMT -5
If there were 800 people on the current register when it was first established, when the NORs were released in March 2014, that seems like a higher-end estimate.
And now about 150 of those 800 (or less) have been hired (roughly) with another 100 to go this year, and 250 more in 2016. ODAR has already interviewed a ton of folks.
It's a simple mathematical equlation. Hiring 250 out of 800 (or less) would seriously deplete the current register. Once the 250 hires this year are done, that puts the register at 550 (or less). Hiring another 250 folks in 2016, out of the remaining 550 (or less), would seem like a stretch.
I think it's a virtual certainty that they'd want a register refresh in very early 2016. That would be A) almost 3 years since the register was first advertised and 2 years after it was finalized, and B) in time to give ODAR more prospective ALJ candidates for the big 2016 hiring push.
I know a lot of people bounced for very frivolous reasons at the first cut level (back in early 2013), who I'd love to see get a fresh shot on a register refresh. Hopefully soon.
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Post by moopigsdad on Apr 29, 2015 12:42:31 GMT -5
If there were 800 people on the current register when it was first established, when the NORs were released in March 2014, that seems like a higher-end estimate. And now about 150 of those 800 (or less) have been hired (roughly) with another 100 to go this year, and 250 more in 2016. ODAR has already interviewed a ton of folks. It's a simple mathematical equlation. Hiring 250 out of 800 (or less) would seriously deplete the current register. Once the 250 hires this year are done, that puts the register at 550 (or less). Hiring another 250 folks in 2016, out of the remaining 550 (or less), would seem like a stretch. I think it's a virtual certainty that they'd want a register refresh in very early 2016. That would be A) almost 3 years since the register was first advertised and 2 years after it was finalized, and B) in time to give ODAR more prospective ALJ candidates for the big 2016 hiring push. I know a lot of people bounced for very frivolous reasons at the first cut level (back in early 2013), who I'd love to see get a fresh shot on a register refresh. Hopefully soon. Your assumption regarding the Register if the final number is correct would seem to be spot on, however I sincerely think the Register is somewhere between 800 and 1200 total. So, if the total count is 1200, there would be no need for a refresh. Remember a lot of people with only very limited GALs have never been interviewed yet.
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 29, 2015 12:49:47 GMT -5
If there were 800 people on the current register when it was first established, when the NORs were released in March 2014, that seems like a higher-end estimate. And now about 150 of those 800 (or less) have been hired (roughly) with another 100 to go this year, and 250 more in 2016. ODAR has already interviewed a ton of folks. It's a simple mathematical equlation. Hiring 250 out of 800 (or less) would seriously deplete the current register. Once the 250 hires this year are done, that puts the register at 550 (or less). Hiring another 250 folks in 2016, out of the remaining 550 (or less), would seem like a stretch. I think it's a virtual certainty that they'd want a register refresh in very early 2016. That would be A) almost 3 years since the register was first advertised and 2 years after it was finalized, and B) in time to give ODAR more prospective ALJ candidates for the big 2016 hiring push. I know a lot of people bounced for very frivolous reasons at the first cut level (back in early 2013), who I'd love to see get a fresh shot on a register refresh. Hopefully soon. Your assumption regarding the Register if the final number is correct would seem to be spot on, however I sincerely think the Register is somewhere between 800 and 1200 total. So, if the total count is 1200, there would be no need for a refresh. Remember a lot of people with only very limited GALs have never been interviewed yet. Of course, MPD, if they have very limited GALs, they might not ever be up for an opening (for example, if someone only had Honolulu and D.C.), which would essentially discount them as a presence on the register, moving the effective number back downwards.
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 29, 2015 12:51:07 GMT -5
I wasn't even following the discussion by the way. I just like looking at my avatar(s). Right now: beach-going conservative-ized red-neck with bleeding clown eyes behind shades.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 29, 2015 12:59:29 GMT -5
If there were 800 people on the current register when it was first established, when the NORs were released in March 2014, that seems like a higher-end estimate. And now about 150 of those 800 (or less) have been hired (roughly) with another 100 to go this year, and 250 more in 2016. ODAR has already interviewed a ton of folks. It's a simple mathematical equlation. Hiring 250 out of 800 (or less) would seriously deplete the current register. Once the 250 hires this year are done, that puts the register at 550 (or less). Hiring another 250 folks in 2016, out of the remaining 550 (or less), would seem like a stretch. I think it's a virtual certainty that they'd want a register refresh in very early 2016. That would be A) almost 3 years since the register was first advertised and 2 years after it was finalized, and B) in time to give ODAR more prospective ALJ candidates for the big 2016 hiring push. I know a lot of people bounced for very frivolous reasons at the first cut level (back in early 2013), who I'd love to see get a fresh shot on a register refresh. Hopefully soon. But we do not KNOW there are only 800-900 on the register. Even high management at ODAR has stated repeatedly that OPM has not disclosed how many are on the register. There could be many more.
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