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Post by tab on Dec 22, 2014 16:39:36 GMT -5
If you decline an offer to a city, does that effectively mean you are declining ever being a SSA ALJ? Does SSA hold it against you so you won't get another offer from another city on your list?
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Post by saaao on Dec 22, 2014 16:44:10 GMT -5
The saying used to be "decline and die" but that was under the old system. The current notice says you will be removed from the register if you decline two cities, but I don't know if SSA follows that or not. If you offer a good reason, you might be considered again in the future.
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Post by walter on Dec 22, 2014 16:59:28 GMT -5
The notice listing the cities for which you made the certificate states:
If you decline a location(s), OPM will remove your name from further consideration from that location(s).
You will not be able to reinstate a location for which you have been removed until the next ALJ vacancy announcement open period.
If you decline two (2) job offers, your name will be suspended from OPM's ALJ register for one (1) year or until the register is terminated, whichever occurs first.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 18:40:48 GMT -5
If you decline an offer to a city, does that effectively mean you are declining ever being a SSA ALJ? Does SSA hold it against you so you won't get another offer from another city on your list? If you said yes to ODAR that I would accept an offer for Cities A,B and C and then was offered a job to City C and declined that offer...not good any future offers from ODAR.
If you simply removed City C when it was emailed to you as a Cert listing your cities, then you could survive that, but from previous experiences expressed upon this board, turning down an offer of a job to a city after you said you would accept that city if offered is normally thought to be a death sentence for future offers from ODAR. Anyone else seeing otherwise, can provide their opinion, IMHO.
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Post by redryder on Dec 23, 2014 9:25:29 GMT -5
Declining an offer is not necessarily the end of consideration with ODAR. There are judges who declined on one cert who were picked up for a different city on a subsequent cert. How gracious ODAR may be seems to depend on the size of the candidate pool. As the pool shrinks and OPM does not refresh the register, there is more incentive to make an offer to that candidate who has a decent score, good interview and good recommendations but declined a prior offer.
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Post by atlasta on Jan 13, 2015 22:58:19 GMT -5
There are people who declined and got picked up later, such as myself. However, I would not advise it.
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Post by anotherfed on Jan 14, 2015 8:32:59 GMT -5
Which suggests to me that if you have a sudden change of family circumstances, let ODAR know BEFORE you have to decline an offer. Since this seems to be being worked like a pyramid, giving ODAR a heads up lets them substitute another candidate without upsetting the order of offers. Leading to .... Government efficiency? Can it be??
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 14, 2015 9:23:56 GMT -5
Which suggests to me that if you have a sudden change of family circumstances, let ODAR know BEFORE you have to decline an offer. Since this seems to be being worked like a pyramid, giving ODAR a heads up lets them substitute another candidate without upsetting the order of offers. Leading to .... Government efficiency? Can it be?? I wouldn't go so far to say government efficiency, just a movement on the ouija board, or a shake of the magic 8 ball to re-rack the candidate pool for a city,  As a wise Captain once told me, bad news doesn't get any better with age - tell them promptly and let everyone move on. |
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 14, 2015 9:39:52 GMT -5
You are better off, if due to previous unforeseen circumstances which now cause a GAL location to no longer be a fit for you, to let OPM and SSA know that you want to have that location removed from your acceptable GAL list. It is a much better decision to do this upfront, than just sitting back and then turning down an offer for an ALJ position in that city which is no longer a fit for you. Supposedly, a rejection only removes you from that one location, but in this new environment, you never know what SSA will do if your name pops up again (despite what the paperwork sent to us states).
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 14, 2015 9:53:07 GMT -5
I know that this is wishful thinking but I truly believe OPM makes a mistake on long term registers by not allowing applicants to reset their GAL annually. The fact is that the folks who report in March will have been at this process two years. All of us have had changes in those two years but many folks have had truly life changing experiences, i.e. marriage, birth of a child, serious illness of a family member, death in the family, etc. These changes may narrow, expand, or just alter the GAL to which a candidate for ALJ or other job with a long shelf life register is available. These changes may occur several times if a person is on the register for a long time. Perhaps if a candidate could reset their GAL it would allow more people who are actually willing to be considered for an office to do so.
Obviously, this is a self-serving idea but it also reflects that some of us (very possibly myself) will be here waiting in years 3, 4, or whenever they create a new register but some might have gotten hired if people could reset their GALs to reflect how their lives are being lived on at least an annual basis.
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Post by 71stretch on Jan 14, 2015 10:14:29 GMT -5
I know that this is wishful thinking but I truly believe OPM makes a mistake on long term registers by not allowing applicants to reset their GAL annually. The fact is that the folks who report in March will have been at this process two years. All of us have had changes in those two years but many folks have had truly life changing experiences, i.e. marriage, birth of a child, serious illness of a family member, death in the family, etc. These changes may narrow, expand, or just alter the GAL to which a candidate for ALJ or other job with a long shelf life register is available. These changes may occur several times if a person is on the register for a long time. Perhaps if a candidate could reset their GAL it would allow more people who are actually willing to be considered for an office to do so. Obviously, this is a self-serving idea but it also reflects that some of us (very possibly myself) will be here waiting in years 3, 4, or whenever they create a new register but some might have gotten hired if people could reset their GALs to reflect how their lives are being lived on at least an annual basis. Since they have now set a precedent by opening GALs in summer 2012, they may look at that again sooner rather than later, once they get a picture of how this whole new process works in terms of time. I don't see them doing it yearly, but, with the work of making a cert for each city, it might well help them to have current info on who really wants to be there.  |
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Post by gary on Jan 14, 2015 10:40:50 GMT -5
I know that this is wishful thinking but I truly believe OPM makes a mistake on long term registers by not allowing applicants to reset their GAL annually. The fact is that the folks who report in March will have been at this process two years. All of us have had changes in those two years but many folks have had truly life changing experiences, i.e. marriage, birth of a child, serious illness of a family member, death in the family, etc. These changes may narrow, expand, or just alter the GAL to which a candidate for ALJ or other job with a long shelf life register is available. These changes may occur several times if a person is on the register for a long time. Perhaps if a candidate could reset their GAL it would allow more people who are actually willing to be considered for an office to do so. Obviously, this is a self-serving idea but it also reflects that some of us (very possibly myself) will be here waiting in years 3, 4, or whenever they create a new register but some might have gotten hired if people could reset their GALs to reflect how their lives are being lived on at least an annual basis. Since they have now set a precedent by opening GALs in summer 2012, they may look at that again sooner rather than later, once they get a picture of how this whole new process works in terms of time. I don't see them doing it yearly, but, with the work of making a cert for each city, it might well help them to have current info on who really wants to be there. It makes sense to me that OPM would open GALs for change before doing a refresh. It's cheaper, easier, and quicker. I'm not sure how soon they'll need to do it. As quickly as SSA seems to be going down the NORs for at least some locations maybe as early as this Fall or next Winter, but that's a very optimistic WAG. |
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 14, 2015 11:16:48 GMT -5
I know that this is wishful thinking but I truly believe OPM makes a mistake on long term registers by not allowing applicants to reset their GAL annually. The fact is that the folks who report in March will have been at this process two years. All of us have had changes in those two years but many folks have had truly life changing experiences, i.e. marriage, birth of a child, serious illness of a family member, death in the family, etc. These changes may narrow, expand, or just alter the GAL to which a candidate for ALJ or other job with a long shelf life register is available. These changes may occur several times if a person is on the register for a long time. Perhaps if a candidate could reset their GAL it would allow more people who are actually willing to be considered for an office to do so. Obviously, this is a self-serving idea but it also reflects that some of us (very possibly myself) will be here waiting in years 3, 4, or whenever they create a new register but some might have gotten hired if people could reset their GALs to reflect how their lives are being lived on at least an annual basis. Since they have now set a precedent by opening GALs in summer 2012, they may look at that again sooner rather than later, once they get a picture of how this whole new process works in terms of time. I don't see them doing it yearly, but, with the work of making a cert for each city, it might well help them to have current info on who really wants to be there. Correct me if I am wrong stretch71, but didn't OPM in the past do a refresh or two prior to allowing a change in GAL locations by candidates? |
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Post by gary on Jan 14, 2015 11:39:23 GMT -5
MPD, I believe you're correct about OPM doing refreshes before the occasion they just allowed candidates to change their GALs. I also believe that was the first time OPM allowed candidates to change their GALs outside of a refresh or a new register. If they got any mileage at all out of opening GALs on that one occasion I would think they'd do that before refreshing because it is easier, cheaper, and quicker.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 14, 2015 11:43:43 GMT -5
I don't disagree Gary, but I don't think we are to that point yet. We may not be to that point until after this year, but I am not SSA and I am not doing the hiring of ALJs. I don't think GALs are the issue for some of us, I think there are other things in play, which we are not aware of at this time, that has affected hiring some on the register.
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Post by gary on Jan 14, 2015 13:28:05 GMT -5
I agree. We're not to that point yet.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jan 14, 2015 14:19:34 GMT -5
I agree. We're not to that point yet. I know some want a chance to have a GAL change, but I am on the other end of that thought. I want them to ride out this register so I have a chance before flooding it with more people with higher scores than mine! LOL! |
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 14, 2015 14:22:29 GMT -5
Don't worry sratty your time will come. |
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jan 14, 2015 14:33:24 GMT -5
Don't worry sratty your time will come. You too Moo. But I just want a real shot at consideration before all the higher scorers jump in my lane ahead of me. LOL! Totally selfish I know, and if they look at me once I am within reach for a city and decide no way... I will live with it. But give me a chance at a top 3 look in at least ONE city. Any city. I followed the great wisdom of the board from years ago and came in with a wide GAL for that very reason. Hopefully the 1st week of Feb we will start hearing about more offers. That will give the hiring committee time to review things the week after the interviews. |
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Post by gary on Jan 14, 2015 14:52:36 GMT -5
I don't think OPM wil expand or refresh until they get close to the point where they can't provide enough eligibles for SSA to have 3 to consider for some position. I suspect it'll be awhile yet before that happens.
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