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Post by Gaidin on Jan 8, 2015 16:37:17 GMT -5
We have often mentioned that the Agency may have reason to visit here and maybe even engage on the Board.. Hummmm, Gaidin = Gehlkin.. Makes one wonder. He always has seems to have good information... Bart if I was Bob I would be to busy keeping the clowns in the car right now to be able to post stuff like this.
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Post by gary on Jan 8, 2015 16:52:28 GMT -5
We have often mentioned that the Agency may have reason to visit here and maybe even engage on the Board.. Hummmm, Gaidin = Gehlkin.. Makes one wonder. He always has seems to have good information... Bart if I was Bob I would be to busy keeping the clowns in the car right now to be able to post stuff like this. I thought Bob was busy trying to herd a bunch of new clowns into the car. (I'll get a red nose and big shoes if that's what it takes, Bob.)
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Post by bartleby on Jan 8, 2015 16:55:08 GMT -5
Sorry Geh, err, Gaidin, you're right of course *wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean?? Say no more, say no more.*
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 8, 2015 17:03:14 GMT -5
Bart on this cold dreary day you just gave me a big chuckle. Thank you.
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Post by hondo35 on Jan 8, 2015 17:06:51 GMT -5
Wait...did I see you at Thanksgiving, Gaidin? You know...since I'm related to Bob, lol!
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Post by jonsprag1 on Jan 8, 2015 20:10:08 GMT -5
I just went and looked. Two judges have been on the transfer list to Honolulu since 9/1/2001. Let that sink in for a minute. Also if your only city is Honolulu please accept my apologies. I suspect there is a long wait for Miami and San Diego also
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 9, 2015 9:11:09 GMT -5
For those who have yet to do the math, the LEAST popular ODARs at this point in time (always subject to change) are:
Any NHC ('nuff said) Houston- Bissonnet Mt. Pleasant Cincinnati Johnstown Roanoke Cleveland Fayetteville Fresno Grand Rapids Hattiesburg
The MOST popular are: St. Pete Tampa Fort Meyers Washington DC Ft. Lauderdale Seattle San Diego Orlando NYC Chicago (south)
This is strictly based on subtracting the number of ALJs who are requesting transfers from that ODAR from the number of ALJs requesting transfer to that ODAR. For example, 2 folks are requesting transfer from St. Pete, but 25 folks want to transfer to St. Pete, this gives St. Pete a relative score of "25". When you score each ODAR in this fashion, you get a relative ranking of 'popularity'.
Feel free to come up with your own mathematical wizardry, but because this is such a fluid list and just gives you a sampling of the current situation (last week) it's more just for fun.
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 9, 2015 10:31:22 GMT -5
To my mind the most useful tool for determining the likability of an office is to take the number of ALJs in the office and figure out what percentage are trying to get out.
That doesn't tell you how popular a given office is but it tells you how much the folks assigned there want to leave. Unfortunately, it is hard to pin down how many ALJs are assigned to an office versus how many write decisions for an office.
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Post by bartleby on Jan 9, 2015 10:39:26 GMT -5
By your formula, you forgot Toledo as one of the least popular ODARs.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 9, 2015 10:42:16 GMT -5
G - I looked at that also. I noticed that the 'least' popular ODARs according to the percentages of ALJs who hope to achieve maximum escape velocity are also the ones where the newbie ALJs have landed (for the most part). It makes perfect sense - you want to go to the dance? Then you go to the dance with the first person who asks you - even if they are a 'less than ideal' dance partner. Once you are on the dance floor, you can always hope you find a more suitable partner to dance with... hence the logic of a wide open GAL is still the way to go.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 9, 2015 10:44:50 GMT -5
By your formula, you forgot Toledo as one of the least popular ODARs. Nope, between Hattiesburg and Toledo, are the likes of Newark, Paducah, and Philly East. they all essentially have 3 or 4 folks trying to leave and almost no one trying to get there.
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Post by owl on Jan 9, 2015 11:06:34 GMT -5
For those who have yet to do the math, the LEAST popular ODARs at this point in time (always subject to change) are: Any NHC ('nuff said) Houston- Bissonnet Mt. Pleasant Cincinnati Johnstown Roanoke Cleveland Fayetteville Fresno Grand Rapids Hattiesburg The MOST popular are: St. Pete Tampa Fort Meyers Washington DC Ft. Lauderdale Seattle San Diego Orlando NYC Chicago (south) This is strictly based on subtracting the number of ALJs who are requesting transfers from that ODAR from the number of ALJs requesting transfer to that ODAR. For example, 2 folks are requesting transfer from St. Pete, but 25 folks want to transfer to St. Pete, this gives St. Pete a relative score of "25". When you score each ODAR in this fashion, you get a relative ranking of 'popularity'. Feel free to come up with your own mathematical wizardry, but because this is such a fluid list and just gives you a sampling of the current situation (last week) it's more just for fun. Just a point of clarification re: the NHCs - I still think it is the case that ALJs can't transfer into NHCs via the regular transfer list process? So the negative scores for all the NHCs, which are a function of there being no requests to transfer in to any of them, might be a bit misleading. Otherwise this is helpful data mining - thanks!
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Post by lizdarcy on Jan 9, 2015 11:32:10 GMT -5
Thank you to all the data crunchers. The information is valuable and appreciated. That kind of work does not come easily to me.
I don't post often because I know so little that I can't contribute much -- but congrats to all who have received The Call.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 9, 2015 12:01:52 GMT -5
Owl - that's true, I should've said that about NHCs, so I did misspeak. You cannot transfer into them, but why is it that 50% of NHC St. Louis, 75% of NHC Baltimore and 36% of ALJs in Chicago want to transfer out? The reasons are discussed elsewhere on different threads, but thanks for pointing that out for folks who may not know you can't transfer in.
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 9, 2015 12:47:22 GMT -5
G - I looked at that also. I noticed that the 'least' popular ODARs according to the percentages of ALJs who hope to achieve maximum escape velocity are also the ones where the newbie ALJs have landed (for the most part). It makes perfect sense - you want to go to the dance? Then you go to the dance with the first person who asks you - even if they are a 'less than ideal' dance partner. Once you are on the dance floor, you can always hope you find a more suitable partner to dance with... hence the logic of a wide open GAL is still the way to go. But if the offices were desirable folks would stay. Some places like Tupelo or Middlesboro you can say well they are really isolated etc. But take Cincy. There appear to be 9 judges in the office and 5 of them want to transfer?
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Post by funkyodar on Jan 9, 2015 12:58:04 GMT -5
Judging the "desireability" of an office based on # wanting out is a bit tainted. Remember, 70 something new judges got hired in August and September and all are eligible to be on the list. After a big hire, where folks take slots anywhere offered, the list is going to be bigger. It isn't necessarily that the office is undesireable, just that the big flux of new hires want to get home.
A look at the list just prior to the eligibility of the August new hires is probably a better indicator of desireability. It would be a picture cast before so many newbies flooded the list wanting to get home and not because they just want out of where they are.
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 9, 2015 13:03:17 GMT -5
Well Funk as you well know one ALJs Crapland is another's Funky Farm. I seriously have no desire to get a posting to San Fran, LA, or Manhattan because I can't imagine how you live there on even an ALJ salary. That doesn't mean that I don't think they are great places. I would love to spend time in all of them but living there yikes.
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Post by mamaru on Jan 9, 2015 13:20:15 GMT -5
For those who have yet to do the math, the LEAST popular ODARs at this point in time (always subject to change) are: Any NHC ('nuff said) Houston- Bissonnet Mt. Pleasant Cincinnati Johnstown Roanoke Cleveland Fayetteville Fresno Grand Rapids Hattiesburg The MOST popular are: St. Pete Tampa Fort Meyers Washington DC Ft. Lauderdale Seattle San Diego Orlando NYC Chicago (south) This is strictly based on subtracting the number of ALJs who are requesting transfers from that ODAR from the number of ALJs requesting transfer to that ODAR. For example, 2 folks are requesting transfer from St. Pete, but 25 folks want to transfer to St. Pete, this gives St. Pete a relative score of "25". When you score each ODAR in this fashion, you get a relative ranking of 'popularity'. Feel free to come up with your own mathematical wizardry, but because this is such a fluid list and just gives you a sampling of the current situation (last week) it's more just for fun. Just a point of clarification re: the NHCs - I still think it is the case that ALJs can't transfer into NHCs via the regular transfer list process? So the negative scores for all the NHCs, which are a function of there being no requests to transfer in to any of them, might be a bit misleading. Otherwise this is helpful data mining - thanks! Owl, that is my understanding also. In addition, I would like to point out that this list was in circulation before Christmas and has been worked at least twice - I know of a board member who was offered and accepted a transfer prior to the holidays who still appears on this list as seeking a transfer. It was not current as of last week. So before making any big decisions based on this list, folks, please keep the disclaimers in mind and know that the landscape can change quickly.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 9, 2015 13:41:18 GMT -5
Judging the "desireability" of an office based on # wanting out is a bit tainted. Remember, 70 something new judges got hired in August and September and all are eligible to be on the list. After a big hire, where folks take slots anywhere offered, the list is going to be bigger. It isn't necessarily that the office is undesireable, just that the big flux of new hires want to get home. A look at the list just prior to the eligibility of the August new hires is probably a better indicator of desireability. It would be a picture cast before so many newbies flooded the list wanting to get home and not because they just want out of where they are. Absolutely funky. There is a direct correlation to the places where the new ALJs were hired in August and September 2014 and the places that are "currently unpopular". Again, the published and redacted list is purely for entertainment purposes - kind of like the Keno machine at the end of the bar. Please don't think you are going to win your life savings on that machine! However, I will say that I was reviewing the list last night and I really feel sorry for some of you newbie ALJs. You really wanted to be an ALJ, so badly that you took a job in some flyover state, in the middle of Nowhereville, USA. All of your transfer requests are for the west coast. Or the east coast. I'm not talking sexy places, I'm just talking about places near home. Wow. The fact that your family or your situation allowed you to do that is great - you are lucky to have that latitude/flexibility/an understanding spouse or family. Those of us who are not currently in such a flexible situation on one hand are envious, but all I could think about was how crappy it would be to be sitting in my crappy apartment in crapland, all alone, a few thousand miles away from home. So, as the weekend approaches, I hope you all can get home to your loved ones, and I will toast all of you. I've done the military deployment thing and lived the lifestyle - and I really don't want to do it again if I don't have to...
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Post by funkyodar on Jan 9, 2015 13:53:36 GMT -5
You are a wise and learned little green jedi, my friend. Good weekend to you too.
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