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Post by badgerfan on Jan 15, 2015 12:39:53 GMT -5
Does anyone have insight into if or how ALJs are able to get money for CLE programs in order to retain law license? Also, is the Falls Church training submitted for CLE credit? If so, how much?
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Post by funkyodar on Jan 15, 2015 12:42:02 GMT -5
First suggestion is to check with your local bar to make sure you are going to be required to do CLE. Some states do, some don't. I was pleasantly surprised to find, in my state, "judges" are excluded from both CLE requirements and bar dues. And....."judges" was redefined a year or two ago to include ALJs
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jan 15, 2015 12:46:03 GMT -5
Does anyone have insight into if or how ALJs are able to get money for CLE programs in order to retain law license? Also, is the Falls Church training submitted for CLE credit? If so, how much? Each individual is responsible for submitting a course for CLE in some states, some states will let groups of people do it and then share the work of getting it certified for CLE. Like Funky Said, check your local Bar.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 15, 2015 14:33:57 GMT -5
First suggestion is to check with your local bar to make sure you are going to be required to do CLE. Some states do, some don't. I was pleasantly surprised to find, in my state, "judges" are excluded from both CLE requirements and bar dues. And....."judges" was redefined a year or two ago to include ALJs I have a comment about your post funky. It either means Mississippi is well ahead of the curve in allowing Judges to be excluded from both CLE and bar dues or is way behind the times in allowing Judges to be excluded from both CLE and bar dues. Either way, in my opinion, it is a nice perk for those attorneys turned Judges in Mississippi.
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Post by jonsprag1 on Jan 15, 2015 21:11:59 GMT -5
Once you become an SSA ALJ, the agency does not require you to hold an active bar license---it used to but after considerable controversy, the requirement was eliminated in 2014---see the FAQ threads above. You only need to hold an active license before and during the application process. That being the case, it probably isn't going to pay for CLE courses. However, many state bars, including my home state, waive the CLE requirement for sitting judges in "any jurisdiction" Other states may well accept the in house training we get for CLE credit. But, you don't need the certification to keep your job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 21:21:29 GMT -5
First suggestion is to check with your local bar to make sure you are going to be required to do CLE. Some states do, some don't. I was pleasantly surprised to find, in my state, "judges" are excluded from both CLE requirements and bar dues. And....."judges" was redefined a year or two ago to include ALJs Funky is right on point, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that "shoes and shirts" are not required in Funky's state, so go Bulldogs!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 22:02:27 GMT -5
Once you become an SSA ALJ, the agency does not require you to hold an active bar license---it used to but after considerable controversy, the requirement was eliminated in 2014---see the FAQ threads above. You only need to hold an active license before and during the application process. That being the case, it probably isn't going to pay for CLE courses. However, many state bars, including my home state, waive the CLE requirement for sitting judges in "any jurisdiction" Other states may well accept the in house training we get for CLE credit. But, you don't need the certification to keep your job. Yes, while that is true, I would only go inactive with your State after you are fully informed on the requirements to go back to "active" status in the future if your dream job (ODAR ALJ) turns into a bad decision. You may save a few hundreds dollars a year in the short term, but if you have to make up 5 years of CLE, you may of wished that you have investigated a little further before going inactive. You will get all of the CLE training you need in DC the first year and yes, you can get CLE credit for the "baby" judge training and the yearly training you get at the AALJ meeting or otherwise will give you the CLE credits you need, just document, document, document.
This WILL be my LAST legal job in my life, but I will stay active in my State to make sure that my options are open, no matter what!
IMHO, tiger
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Post by chessparent on Jan 15, 2015 22:46:22 GMT -5
Not only that, but what if the state you transfer to down the road does require active licensure? You may need to make up years of CLE to get reactivated in your home state in order to transfer to your new state. I don't know where I'm going this weekend, let alone 10 years from now.
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Post by hopefalj on Jan 16, 2015 7:26:53 GMT -5
Not only that, but what if the state you transfer to down the road does require active licensure? You may need to make up years of CLE to get reactivated in your home state in order to transfer to your new state. I don't know where I'm going this weekend, let alone 10 years from now. This shouldn't make a difference, should it? I thought once a federal employee, particularly an ALJ, you no longer need to worry about bar licensure requirements of particular states. I don't see how a state bar can prevent a federal ALJ from hearing federal cases in that state simply because the ALJ doesn't satisfy the state's bar reqs. You're no longer engaging in the practice of law, and you're certainly not doing so in that state's courts. All that said, I'll be keeping my license. The CLE requirements aren't onerous for my state, and you never know if you might want or need it down the road. Plus, I spent a good amount of time trying to obtain the thing. Might as well keep it.
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Post by anotherfed on Jan 16, 2015 11:29:59 GMT -5
Not only that, but what if the state you transfer to down the road does require active licensure? You may need to make up years of CLE to get reactivated in your home state in order to transfer to your new state. I don't know where I'm going this weekend, let alone 10 years from now. This shouldn't make a difference, should it? I thought once a federal employee, particularly an ALJ, you no longer need to worry about bar licensure requirements of particular states. I don't see how a state bar can prevent a federal ALJ from hearing federal cases in that state simply because the ALJ doesn't satisfy the state's bar reqs. You're no longer engaging in the practice of law, and you're certainly not doing so in that state's courts. All that said, I'll be keeping my license. The CLE requirements aren't onerous for my state, and you never know if you might want or need it down the road. Plus, I spent a good amount of time trying to obtain the thing. Might as well keep it. Correct. Federal attorneys do not need to be barred in the state in which they are practicing, as long as they hold an active license for some state.
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Post by chessparent on Jan 16, 2015 11:35:52 GMT -5
I guess I'm thinking some day I might want to retire, do some pro bono work, or even change agencies. Who knows? Never thought I 'd make it this far.
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Post by anotherfed on Jan 16, 2015 11:43:46 GMT -5
I guess I'm thinking some day I might want to retire, do some pro bono work, or even change agencies. Who knows? Never thought I 'd make it this far. At that point, you need to be sitting on a beach drinking ridiculous umbrella frou-frou concoctions. With a cabana boy (or girl).
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Post by hopefalj on Jan 16, 2015 12:24:46 GMT -5
I guess I'm thinking some day I might want to retire, do some pro bono work, or even change agencies. Who knows? Never thought I 'd make it this far. Wait... I thought this job was retirement. You mean we're expected to keep working?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 12:31:04 GMT -5
Newbie ALJ's (past year) as well as future ALJ's want to keep copy of the agenda and hours spent in ALJ training. I submitted my ALJ training (some 130+ hrs) course outline to my Bar (Oklahoma)for a full years CLE for 2014 and full carryover to 2015. The cost to me for the submittal was $15. In OK, there is a one year waiting period from date of appointment as a judge before one is exempted out of annual state CLE's. Thus with the ALJ training course and payment of $15 I fulfilled 2 years of mandatory CLE's and will hereafter no longer need to care about same.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 23:40:20 GMT -5
This shouldn't make a difference, should it? I thought once a federal employee, particularly an ALJ, you no longer need to worry about bar licensure requirements of particular states. I don't see how a state bar can prevent a federal ALJ from hearing federal cases in that state simply because the ALJ doesn't satisfy the state's bar reqs. You're no longer engaging in the practice of law, and you're certainly not doing so in that state's courts. All that said, I'll be keeping my license. The CLE requirements aren't onerous for my state, and you never know if you might want or need it down the road. Plus, I spent a good amount of time trying to obtain the thing. Might as well keep it. Correct. Federal attorneys do not need to be barred in the state in which they are practicing, as long as they hold an active license for some state. Anotherfed is correct about Federal Attorneys, but not about Administrative Law Judges, you no longer need a license ANYWHERE after you are appointed as an ALJ, again, that's not the smartest way to go, but yes you can let your "license" go after you become an ALJ.
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Post by anotherfed on Jan 22, 2015 6:49:18 GMT -5
Correct. Federal attorneys do not need to be barred in the state in which they are practicing, as long as they hold an active license for some state. Anotherfed is correct about Federal Attorneys, but not about Administrative Law Judges, you no longer need a license ANYWHERE after you are appointed as an ALJ, again, that's not the smartest way to go, but yes you can let your "license" go after you become an ALJ. Bums!
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Post by bartleby on Jan 22, 2015 8:33:45 GMT -5
Let us not forget that the Union offers CLE every year and the Agency allows administrative leave to attend. This year it will be the last week in October in the lovely city of New Orleans with the hotel being in the French Quarter. We have been in Santa Fe, San Antonio, Knoxville, Savannah, and now lovely New Orleans. It is a lot of fun and we learn stuff that actually applies to the job. I would highly recommend it to one and all. Of course the hardest part is leaving the kitties for a week, but, the re-union is fantastic.. (hummm, did Bart mean the re-union with his old buddy Judges or with the kitties??).
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Post by sealaw90 on Jan 22, 2015 9:31:52 GMT -5
Correct. Federal attorneys do not need to be barred in the state in which they are practicing, as long as they hold an active license for some state. Anotherfed is correct about Federal Attorneys, but not about Administrative Law Judges, you no longer need a license ANYWHERE after you are appointed as an ALJ, again, that's not the smartest way to go, but yes you can let your "license" go after you become an ALJ. I was actually hoping to let my waistline go instead of my license. That robe can hide a lot of burgers, fries and chocolate shakes.
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Post by Pixie on Jan 22, 2015 10:04:54 GMT -5
Anotherfed is correct about Federal Attorneys, but not about Administrative Law Judges, you no longer need a license ANYWHERE after you are appointed as an ALJ, again, that's not the smartest way to go, but yes you can let your "license" go after you become an ALJ. This is an OPM rule of rather recent origin. Remember this: What OPM has given, OPM can take away. Keep the license current, or in a status that can easily be made current. Most states have special rules for judges that make it much easier to maintain a license. Many don't require CLE. Let the license lapse at your own peril. Pixie.
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Post by privateatty on Jan 22, 2015 17:21:33 GMT -5
Anotherfed is correct about Federal Attorneys, but not about Administrative Law Judges, you no longer need a license ANYWHERE after you are appointed as an ALJ, again, that's not the smartest way to go, but yes you can let your "license" go after you become an ALJ. This is an OPM rule of rather recent origin. Remember this: What OPM has given, OPM can take away. Keep the license current, or in a status that can easily be made current. Most states have special rules for judges that make it much easier to maintain a license. Many don't require CLE. Let the license lapse at your own peril. Pixie. Amen. Letting it lapse is economics without imagination or laziness.
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