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Post by hilltopper on Feb 20, 2015 8:57:22 GMT -5
Must wholeheartedly agree. My score, GAL, interview etc, admittedly I guess put me up in first class. All that was a complete aside as without divulging more than casual conversation, my background (setting up a paperless office decade(s) ago then going 100% virtual last decade appeared to be the major, if not the central point, of interest in how to, how did, what if, etc. I would surmise that for current and especially future applicants the more tech savvy you are the more interest you will garner. IMHO that is why more and more ALJ new hires have absolutely no experience or knowledge of SSA but do have great tech adaptability. Much more efficient to train and get going a tech savvy new hire in how to do SSA using that tech than it is to try to train an SSA savvy new hire in how to adapt and use new technology. Totally concur with AM and PPJ. My prior life as a computer consultant was a topic of extensive discussion in interviews with two agencies. In fact when I got to FC, one of the ALJ's that interviewed me was the eBB cadre member one of the weeks of training. That prior comfort with computers, their changing systems, and a solid legal/litigation background, combined with a decent score got me offers from both agencies. From what I can see, both of those agencies recognize the value of being able to use a tool ... the computer ... efficiently. The original intent of this thread was to let those who just started in FC and those who have received the dance ticket to attend later, know that eBB is the direction where management is leading ODAR. You can accept that fact, adapt, embrace, and not just survive - you can thrive. Or, you can resist. The timing of accepting and learning now, when you are in training and when you have a reduced hearing schedule, just makes good sense. If you wait, you will likely struggle through while juggling a full hearing load. Hope all of you in FC are enjoying your introduction to ODAR. ht
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Post by alj on Feb 20, 2015 9:07:52 GMT -5
The agency has ways other than the OPM score to determine one's adaptability to the electronic world. It really doesn't care how OPM scored the candidate; it will use its own score. Yes, the score is determinative of whether one makes a cert, and once on the cert, where one stands, but the agency doesn't look at a candidate with a high OPM score and say, "We have to get this one; he will make an excellent addition to our agency."
I realize OPM is using a different method of sending the certs to agency, and that may have altered the equation a bit, but it won't take the agency long to find a work around.
It has been a year or so since I was involved (indirectly) in the selection process, but I doubt the criteria have changed much, if any.
I don't want to re-ignite the debate over the fairness. or lack thereof, of the agency holding OPM scores in such disdain, but it needs to be said again, that if the agency really wants you, it will usually find a way.
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Post by funkyodar on Feb 20, 2015 9:31:21 GMT -5
Maybe getting a liitle close to the line on discussing the interview guys. Tread lightly.
EDIT NOTE BY PIXIE: Yes, I have edited some of the language. May have to do more than that. Pixie.
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Post by bartleby on Feb 20, 2015 9:39:45 GMT -5
No secret, the Agency interview will rate you: not recommend, recommend, highly recommend. A lot of the final decision on hiring is based on this recommendation. Has nothing to do with OPM. ALJ knows of what he speaks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 10:29:15 GMT -5
TigerLaw: Actually, your score from OPM made not one bit of difference to the agency. You were given an offer based on other factors, as you mentioned. Your score only made you more accessible to the agency. The NOR does one thing: It puts a candidate in consideration. Other factors get the offer. So, let's be a kinder and more gentle Tiger. That seems to be a very big point (your NOR score)! But I got your point you were trying to make, although you are down playing how important it is in the overall scheme of things, because if I had a NOR score of 48, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all (not at this point in time) and I would be real surprise to get a call on the 8th Cert for an interview or never getting the call at all, but we are WAY off topic now.
Go eBB!!!!! Back on topic.
IMHO, tiger
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Post by anotherfed on Feb 20, 2015 15:33:25 GMT -5
But it was the score that got us in front of the judges (kind of like on "The Voice" -- only not). From a non-eBB fight standpoint, it does appear that the Agency may be somewhat shifting in its hiring demographic. [Text deleted by Pixie] If it were'nt important it wouldn't have been a major consideration like it seems to have been. Just observing that the world is moving on and we must either adapt or perish. Life according to H.G. Wells. "Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." - H. G. Wells So, was it a mistake to wax poetic about my abacus?
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Post by hilltopper on Feb 20, 2015 15:51:05 GMT -5
But it was the score that got us in front of the judges (kind of like on "The Voice" -- only not). From a non-eBB fight standpoint, it does appear that the Agency may be somewhat shifting in its hiring demographic. [Text deleted by Pixie] If it weren't important it wouldn't have been a major consideration like it seems to have been. Just observing that the world is moving on and we must either adapt or perish. Life according to H.G. Wells. "Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." - H. G. Wells So, was it a mistake to wax poetic about my abacus? It undoubtedly got you points for bilateral manual dexterity, and mental agility. But unfortunately, any gains realized in points scored for use of such old technology, were likely offset by the losses in not addressing your comfort with new technology. ht
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Post by gary on Feb 20, 2015 16:00:53 GMT -5
But it was the score that got us in front of the judges (kind of like on "The Voice" -- only not). From a non-eBB fight standpoint, it does appear that the Agency may be somewhat shifting in its hiring demographic. [Text deleted by Pixie] If it were'nt important it wouldn't have been a major consideration like it seems to have been. Just observing that the world is moving on and we must either adapt or perish. Life according to H.G. Wells. "Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." - H. G. Wells So, was it a mistake to wax poetic about my abacus? Didn't waxing it make your abacus too slick to use accurately?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 20, 2015 16:08:18 GMT -5
So, was it a mistake to wax poetic about my abacus? Didn't waxing it make your abacus too slick to use accurately? This almost sounds .... naughty.
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Post by hamster on Feb 20, 2015 17:59:37 GMT -5
"Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." - H. G. Wells
I think Agilitymom (a dear friend) got the quote wrong. What Wells actually said was, "While at new ALJ training, drink your beer fast, since otherwise it will go flat which, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative."
Glad I, as a more experienced ALJ, could clear this up.
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Post by crab on Feb 20, 2015 19:35:19 GMT -5
Agreed funks, except I'd say it's more than close to the line.
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Post by bartleby on Feb 20, 2015 21:49:25 GMT -5
I will say, from personal experience, the abacus in the hands of a native accountant is almost faster than our calculator. They have to be quick, because haggling is the word of the day and converting currency in the middle of a haggle is an art form.
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Post by agilitymom on Feb 23, 2015 6:42:01 GMT -5
"Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." - H. G. Wells I think Agilitymom (a dear friend) got the quote wrong. What Wells actually said was, "While at new ALJ training, drink your beer fast, since otherwise it will go flat which, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." Glad I, as a more experienced ALJ, could clear this up. And that's why I have always adored you. You have "the" right outlook on life!!! ....as we know it. Go Hamster!
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Post by agilitymom on Feb 23, 2015 6:45:31 GMT -5
anotherfed - never is it unwise to wax poetic about experience. Especially when it has to do with colorful beads! Pixie - so sorry about that. Maybe we can close this thread??? Best - AM
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Post by Pixie on Feb 23, 2015 9:05:30 GMT -5
anotherfed - never is it unwise to wax poetic about experience. Especially when it has to do with colorful beads! Pixie - so sorry about that. Maybe we can close this thread??? Best - AM No problem. And no need to close the thread; we just have to stay away from the content of the interviews.
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Post by southerner on Feb 23, 2015 13:47:49 GMT -5
Whatever works is the preferred methodolgy.
A few judges here use EBB, but most don't. Most use FITS, but I don't and neither EBB. I am the most productive in my office, but maybe that comes from longevity. I came from within and was used to using a summary analysis we used as SA's and continue to use. I take that summary and handwrite notes/observations and note instructions at top or end of last page. The attys and paras here are able to work well w/me and there are no impediments to a quick turnaround in drafts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 7:27:18 GMT -5
I believe there was a brief post a while back to the effect that when we can do our writing and drafts by waving hands in the air across floating computer screens (as with Tom Cruise in Minority report)they would then switch to Ebb.
It's here.
Microsoft has introduced HoloLens. 3D Holographic floating in air computer screens for home use. No longer science fiction.
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Post by anotherfed on Feb 24, 2015 10:19:31 GMT -5
I believe there was a brief post a while back to the effect that when we can do our writing and drafts by waving hands in the air across floating computer screens (as with Tom Cruise in Minority report)they would then switch to Ebb. It's here. Microsoft has introduced HoloLens. 3D Holographic floating in air computer screens for home use. No longer science fiction. It just isn't the same without the manatees...
Edit: The manatees is actually a Simpson's episode that mocked Minority Report, claiming that the other animated shows were written by a bunch of manatees in a tank...
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