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Post by Gram Pop on Feb 25, 2015 15:37:34 GMT -5
Remember, someone graduated dead last in your law school class. They have the exact same degree that you have and I am sure that most of their clients never ask them their class rank. I have appeared before several sitting judges who definitely graduated by the skin of their teeth. I still call them "Your Honor."
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Post by privateatty on Feb 25, 2015 17:45:59 GMT -5
OPM scores are absolutely not an indicator of what type of judge a candidate will evolve into. The agency, being well aware of this, pays the scores no mind when making selections. Sure, a score is important in making the register, and it is important in making a cert, and perhaps in ranking ahead of a candidate with veteran preference points, but the agency pays them no mind when making selections. In other words if an offer is made, the agency used criteria other than the OPM score in making the selection. Pixie. Pixie has been saying this since 2007. History has proven this point over and over again.
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Post by privateatty on Feb 25, 2015 18:06:30 GMT -5
Your enthusiasm and desire to be ALJs are commendable to some. However, others may see this as desperation. So please watch what you post on the board. There have been instances in which the folks in ODAR have figured out who you are despite your avatar or screen name. You will never know if and when something you posted turned them off and resulted in your being passed over. Your OPM test scores only get you an invitation to the dance and a place on the dance card. After that, determining if you are the "right fit" for the job depends on subjective assessments. Your presentation in the interview. What your peers, references, boss and/or supervisors report. What you are posting on this board. Really? Not hired because of a post? funky and tiger got hired and they went to the ALJD principal's office. Does Puzzle Palace pour over this Board with the Applicant list in hand? And your desperate is someone's truth. I realize you are trying to help and I commend you for that, but folks NEED this Board. It ain't perfect and I have had my strong disagreements with ALJD, but you know what? Its his/her and Pixie's Board and they get to play hall monitor. We ALL come across as someone's "whatever"-- I know folks must think I pontificate and preach and otherwise condescend. I apologize.
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Post by Missundaztood on Feb 25, 2015 20:15:28 GMT -5
Gary I had no idea you even had an escutcheon, but if you do I am sorry for casting aspersions upon it....LOL! Definition of ESCUTCHEON 1 a defined area on which armorial bearings are displayed and which usually consists of a shield 2 a protective or ornamental plate or flange (as around a keyhole) 3 the part of a ship's stern on which the name is displayed And I thought "escutcheon" was French for "snail." I thought it was Spanish for for "listen!" At least I thought that was what my high school Spanish teacher was always screaming at my class.
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Post by luckylady2 on Feb 25, 2015 20:49:43 GMT -5
Also don't forget that you only get considered if you have a top three score for that city. They send the you're on the cert mail to everyone on the cert but they only consider the top three scores. We're still seeing acceptances post NORs well above 73, so it may well be that you weren't one of the top thee for the cities that came up on the certs for you
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Post by anotherfed on Feb 25, 2015 22:02:42 GMT -5
To be clear, I have also worked with nuttier ALJs who had NORs way above mine. Question of the day: is there a correlation between NOR and nuttiness?
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Post by gary on Feb 25, 2015 22:12:52 GMT -5
To be clear, I have also worked with nuttier ALJs who had NORs way above mine. Question of the day: is there a correlation between NOR and nuttiness? There might be a relationship in the form of a parabola, with greatest nuttiness at the high and low ends. Or is it like a normal curve with nuttiness concentrated in the center? I'm sorry. They told me there'd be no math if I became a lawyer.
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Post by Missundaztood on Feb 26, 2015 0:00:31 GMT -5
To be clear, I have also worked with nuttier ALJs who had NORs way above mine. Question of the day: is there a correlation between NOR and nuttiness? Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't.
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Post by gary on Feb 26, 2015 0:05:25 GMT -5
Question of the day: is there a correlation between NOR and nuttiness? Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't. Almond Joy has nuts; Mounds don't.
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Post by witty on Feb 26, 2015 7:00:35 GMT -5
Somehow, I think the agency has more on its plate then to keep track of a 40s!!!! score ALJ - I doubt that there is a separate how MI doing correlated to score and number of cases closed or remanded. Your registry score doesn't and shouldn't follow you once you become an ALJ. Board members here have said time and time again that the score you receive is not necessarily an indication of how good a judge you may become. In my time in two offices at ODAR, I have no idea what another person's ALJ score is, nor does it matter to me. Assuming that someone with a 40s!!! score was hired, they are no less deserving of the ALJ position then someone with a 70s score . . . perhaps it's my naiveté, but ODAR has been at this for a while - if the interviewers saw something with a candidate with a 40s!!! score and hired that person, more power to that candidate. If that candidate believed like the original author implied, that he may be less deserving, then he has all the reason to be grateful and motivated to do this job well, rather than waiting with an entitled attitude. This is an excellent point. My score is NOT where I wanted it to be, but that has no bearing whatsoever on my skill or ability to do the job. At least I would like to think so. I think I would do a great job as a public servant and ALJ despite my score. Perhaps even better than some scoring much higher than me. I think we should all be very grateful just to be on this register. Remember, there are MANY people who applied and did not make it this far. Being on the register has no connection to their "worth" as people. It simply means those who made the register jumped through the hoops exactly how OPM wanted. One single different response on something along the way could have meant a different outcome. Connecting someone's score to their ability as an ALJ is simply not fair. There are simply too many factors in play to make a conclusory statement about any relationship to the score. Everyone on this register has been deemed qualified to be an ALJ by OPM. Now it is a matter of "fit" for the individual agencies.
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Post by witty on Feb 26, 2015 7:04:25 GMT -5
This is an excellent point. My score is NOT where I wanted it to be, but that has no bearing whatsoever on my skill or ability to do the job. At least I would like to think so. I think I would do a great job as a public servant and ALJ despite my score. Perhaps even better than some scoring much higher than me. I think we should all be very grateful just to be on this register. Remember, there are MANY people who applied and did not make it this far. Being on the register has no connection to their "worth" as people. It simply means those who made the register jumped through the hoops exactly how OPM wanted. One single different response on something along the way could have meant a different outcome. Connecting someone's score to their ability as an ALJ is simply not fair. There are simply too many factors in play to make a conclusory statement about any relationship to the score. Everyone on this register has been deemed qualified to be an ALJ by OPM. Now it is a matter of "fit" for the individual agencies. How do other ALJ's come to know another ALJ's NOR thereby making it possible to compare? Is there a published Book of ALJ's and his/her respective NOR???
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 26, 2015 7:29:08 GMT -5
The scores are only known to the candidate, OPM, the hiring agency, and anyone with whom the candidate shares the information.
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Post by anotherfed on Feb 26, 2015 8:25:49 GMT -5
Aren't offices awarded according to NOR forever after?
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Post by funkyodar on Feb 26, 2015 9:54:26 GMT -5
You guys have obviously not been told about the lower back tattoo requirements of the job.....
You have to have your NOR, first office code and last 4 of your social. Then a Region affiliation (ie gang) mark and some flash to make it your own. I went with George Clinton wizzing on a Tiger.
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Post by sealaw90 on Feb 26, 2015 10:51:30 GMT -5
You guys have obviously not been told about the lower back tattoo requirements of the job..... You have to have your NOR, first office code and last 4 of your social. Then a Region affiliation (ie gang) mark and some flash to make it your own. I went with George Clinton wizzing on a Tiger. OMG, thank you for the laugh of the day. Do you get your second tat for your new and permanent ODAR somewhere else? Or perhaps that is TMI?
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 26, 2015 11:54:28 GMT -5
You guys have obviously not been told about the lower back tattoo requirements of the job..... You have to have your NOR, first office code and last 4 of your social. Then a Region affiliation (ie gang) mark and some flash to make it your own. I went with George Clinton wizzing on a Tiger. I bet that wasn't even the weirdest tat the tattoo artist did that week. Do we at least get to pick the font for our tat? If so I am going with comic sans if I ever get the call.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 12:32:29 GMT -5
We all know some who have gone off the deep end at times and posted some strong comments and revealed some distinctly negative personality traits... yet were hired. Sratty I think you said more than a mouthful with your comments highlighted in BOLD RED above. If what you said on this Board could disqualify you, I am sure certain people would not have been hired that were already indeed hired by SSA from this register. I think some people on this Board don't understand the camaraderie that has developed among this group on this register. There isn't that fierce competition to cut someone off at the knees, if he/she acquires a position before someone else. We are truly happy for each and every person who gets the nod and offer. So, if there is some joking or back-slapping going on between us or consoling of others, this doesn't mean someone isn't judge material, if anything it makes him/her more acceptable to be judge material, than someone who cannot see beyond their own insecurities to be happy for other members' fortunes or to be able to console others for their misfortunes IMHO. Hey, can somebody PM me when I'm being talked about on the board! And what is the definition of "the deep end" and Sratty don't cite to any of my previous posts. I'm living proof that the "powers that be" don't monitor this board before they hire and so is Bartleby! Just kidding Bartleby, don't get your kitty claws out.
Funky never got called into the principal's office, he just took the same suspension that I got from ALJD (because he felt bad for starting the argument in the first place, OH YEAH, I went back there!!). In all probability, it's the closest he will ever come to being a gentlemen and he knows that I mean that as a compliment. Starting Monday, we are next door neighbors in what I believe will be a continuation of a lifelong friendship, all thanks to ALJD, Pixie and ODAR. Just my humble opinion!! Tiger
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 12:51:10 GMT -5
You guys have obviously not been told about the lower back tattoo requirements of the job..... You have to have your NOR, first office code and last 4 of your social. Then a Region affiliation (ie gang) mark and some flash to make it your own. I went with George Clinton wizzing on a Tiger. I hadn't read this post before I posted my last comment, but you might want to open your new desk drawers real slow on Sunday. HT and I are trying to come up with some ideas as homecoming gifts.
Don't forget the donuts on Monday. Hilltopper bought strawberry, chocolate and glaze in January, but the strawberry hung around too long, so I went straight chocolate and glaze for February. Four dozen should do it and if you don't mind, stop by Starbucks and pick me up a large coffee, no sugar. (There's a lot of softballs in the last two posts to swing at, so start swinging ) Thanks Tiger
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 26, 2015 13:56:01 GMT -5
You guys have obviously not been told about the lower back tattoo requirements of the job..... You have to have your NOR, first office code and last 4 of your social. Then a Region affiliation (ie gang) mark and some flash to make it your own. I went with George Clinton wizzing on a Tiger. I hadn't read this post before I posted my last comment, but you might want to open your new desk drawers real slow on Sunday. HT and I are trying to come up with some ideas as homecoming gifts.
Don't forget the donuts on Monday. Hilltopper bought strawberry, chocolate and glaze in January, but the strawberry hung around too long, so I went straight chocolate and glaze for February. Four dozen should do it and if you don't mind, stop by Starbucks and pick me up a large coffee, no sugar, I'm sweet enough. (There's a lot of softballs in the last two posts to swing at, so start swinging ) Thanks Tiger
Now I can't stop thinking about Tom Brady's press conference.
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Post by privateatty on Feb 26, 2015 18:12:52 GMT -5
To be clear, I have also worked with nuttier ALJs who had NORs way above mine. And below. "The very substance of the ambitious is merely the shadow of a dream." --William Shakespeare
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