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Post by batdog on Apr 12, 2015 9:07:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know about how long it takes before you get an official offer once the agency sends the cert back to OPM after having made its choice for the position?
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Post by ok1956 on Apr 12, 2015 9:36:43 GMT -5
Does anyone know about how long it takes before you get an official offer once the agency sends the cert back to OPM after having made its choice for the position? I interviewed on January 22 (part of the group on November cents who weren't interviewed until January) and received the verbal offer on February 11. I know there were people called before I was but I don't know how many.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 12, 2015 12:36:43 GMT -5
Does anyone know about how long it takes before you get an official offer once the agency sends the cert back to OPM after having made its choice for the position? If you are talking about ODAR: There are people who are on certificates who never get an offer. There are people who appear on multiple certificates and finally receive an offer after several certificates over a period of years. Some people are lucky and are on a certificate and receive an offer only after a few weeks. There are many variations. The "official" offer is the call.
I am not sure what you mean by "once the agency sends the cert back to OPM" ... do you mean AFTER you get the call with an offer? If so, the call is the official offer and if you have not received anything in writing since that call, you should contact the agency. Typically with ODAR, you receive emails within a few days to weeks with information.
I suppose all of this depends on whether you mean you have received an offer call and are awaiting "official" paperwork about the acceptance of the position, of if you actually mean returning the certificate email regarding choices you still agree to go, which is not an offer. Considering you posted on the first page of this thread that you received a call, it sounds like you are asking about formal paperwork regarding that call. With that said, and the fact it was not with ODAR but a different agency.... sounds like you may need to call that agency and ask. The response that ok1956 gave is regarding ODAR.
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Post by gary on Apr 12, 2015 12:50:51 GMT -5
I believe what happens is: ODAR gets certificates from OPM and hires from them. I believe there have been references to these being tentative hires. Once the certificates are closed ODAR sends reports on its hiring back to OPM. OPM audits the certificates and makes sure ODAR followed the hiring rules. I believe the hire becomes official when OPM approves it. How long until that happens may be the question, and I don't really know.
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Post by batdog on Apr 12, 2015 13:24:23 GMT -5
That is the question. The agency returned the cert to OPM and I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with how long it takes for OPM to do whatever OPM does before the selectee is officially hired. The agency has been in touch with me about plans for some upcoming events and everything seems certain, but still, I don't want to make any major changes until everything is finalized.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 12, 2015 13:36:30 GMT -5
That is the question. The agency returned the cert to OPM and I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with how long it takes for OPM to do whatever OPM does before the selectee is officially hired. The agency has been in touch with me about plans for some upcoming events and everything seems certain, but still, I don't want to make any major changes until everything is finalized. I think the vast majority of responses you will get here will pertain to ODAR. If you post your agency you may get a more direct and helpful answer as it pertains to the agency in which you received the offer. If I were in your shoes, I would call and ask the agency directly.
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Post by gary on Apr 12, 2015 18:10:45 GMT -5
I agree with Sratty. I believe the procedure with OPM will be the same for the different agencies. However, because of the much larger volume of hires by ODAR compared to the other agencies, it likely takes a good bit longer for OPM to audit ODAR's certificates and make ODAR's hires final.
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Post by Missundaztood on Apr 12, 2015 23:06:06 GMT -5
That is the question. The agency returned the cert to OPM and I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with how long it takes for OPM to do whatever OPM does before the selectee is officially hired. The agency has been in touch with me about plans for some upcoming events and everything seems certain, but still, I don't want to make any major changes until everything is finalized. I think the vast majority of responses you will get here will pertain to ODAR. If you post your agency you may get a more direct and helpful answer as it pertains to the agency in which you received the offer. If I were in your shoes, I would call and ask the agency directly. As a specific example, we know for sure that OMHA (Medicare) will not make a final offer until the background check is completed successfully; whereas, SSA has the background check done post-offer. Thus, requirements vary by agency.
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Post by Serious, J. on Jan 8, 2017 13:23:13 GMT -5
Let me get back to the original question. I want to understand this correctly. If an ALJ switches locations from a higher-paid locality to a lower-paid locality, he or she keeps the current base salary, and the locality pay is adjusted downward so the ALJ is paid at the rate for the new locality?
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Post by gary on Jan 8, 2017 13:47:33 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Pixie on Jan 8, 2017 14:28:57 GMT -5
That's why its called a locality pay; it is adjusted for whatever locality one is in.
I think it interesting that batdog never divulged which agency he was going with. He just kinda disappeared and then this thread disappeared. I hope it all worked out for him.
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Post by Serious, J. on Jan 8, 2017 15:05:13 GMT -5
That's why its called a locality pay; it is adjusted for whatever locality one is in. I think it interesting that batdog never divulged which agency he was going with. He just kinda disappeared and then this thread disappeared. I hope it all worked out for him. I hope so too.
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Post by chudley on Jan 8, 2017 16:32:04 GMT -5
That's why its called a locality pay; it is adjusted for whatever locality one is in. I think it interesting that batdog never divulged which agency he was going with. He just kinda disappeared and then this thread disappeared. I hope it all worked out for him. Another post of his says the Department of Labor
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Post by Pixie on Jan 8, 2017 17:05:25 GMT -5
It must have been in another thread; I didn't see it in this one.
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Post by christina on Jan 14, 2017 13:25:37 GMT -5
Let me get back to the original question. I want to understand this correctly. If an ALJ switches locations from a higher-paid locality to a lower-paid locality, he or she keeps the current base salary, and the locality pay is adjusted downward so the ALJ is paid at the rate for the new locality? yes
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Post by gern on Jan 14, 2017 22:18:11 GMT -5
Ummmmm.... Not that I necessarily care, but let's say a former fed had been a GS-14 step ten, making $24,000 per year ($21,000 per year with $3K in locality) and got hired as an ALJ. Currently entry level ALJ's get, let's say, $130K but GS-14s now make $140,000 before locality pay. Would I ^D^YD^D the new ALJ get $130K because that's more than $21K, or get ~$140K because that's what GS-14 S10s now get?
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Post by gary on Jan 14, 2017 23:10:15 GMT -5
Ummmmm.... Not that I necessarily care, but let's say a former fed had been a GS-14 step ten, making $24,000 per year ($21,000 per year with $3K in locality) and got hired as an ALJ. Currently entry level ALJ's get, let's say, $130K but GS-14s now make $140,000 before locality pay. Would I ^D^YD^D the new ALJ get $130K because that's more than $21K, or get ~$140K because that's what GS-14 S10s now get? Compute as stated in this post: aljdiscussion.proboards.com/post/78511
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Post by minny on Jan 15, 2017 12:06:11 GMT -5
Ummmmm.... Not that I necessarily care, but let's say a former fed had been a GS-14 step ten, making $24,000 per year ($21,000 per year with $3K in locality) and got hired as an ALJ. Currently entry level ALJ's get, let's say, $130K but GS-14s now make $140,000 before locality pay. Would I ^D^YD^D the new ALJ get $130K because that's more than $21K, or get ~$140K because that's what GS-14 S10s now get? gern, I think the operative words in your post are "former fed." I am not sure at all that SSA (or whatever agency made the offer to hire you) would be required to base your current pay on a former, as opposed to current, federal salary. In fact, I'm almost sure they would not be required to, but I am not a compensation specialist. I think you get $130K as a new ALJ because you are not a current fed. Maybe someone who is a current sitting ALJ came to the position as a "former fed" too and can chime in with their experience.
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Post by hopefalj on Jan 15, 2017 13:17:33 GMT -5
Ummmmm.... Not that I necessarily care, but let's say a former fed had been a GS-14 step ten, making $24,000 per year ($21,000 per year with $3K in locality) and got hired as an ALJ. Currently entry level ALJ's get, let's say, $130K but GS-14s now make $140,000 before locality pay. Would I ^D^YD^D the new ALJ get $130K because that's more than $21K, or get ~$140K because that's what GS-14 S10s now get? I think it's the former. I was a former fed before joining SSA, and they were only concerned with the base pay from my last SF-50 without adjustment for current dollars, IIRC.
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Post by aljwishhope on Jan 16, 2017 10:55:34 GMT -5
Ummmmm.... Not that I necessarily care, but let's say a former fed had been a GS-14 step ten, making $24,000 per year ($21,000 per year with $3K in locality) and got hired as an ALJ. Currently entry level ALJ's get, let's say, $130K but GS-14s now make $140,000 before locality pay. Would I ^D^YD^D the new ALJ get $130K because that's more than $21K, or get ~$140K because that's what GS-14 S10s now get? gern, I think the operative words in your post are "former fed." I am not sure at all that SSA (or whatever agency made the offer to hire you) would be required to base your current pay on a former, as opposed to current, federal salary. In fact, I'm almost sure they would not be required to, but I am not a compensation specialist. I think you get $130K as a new ALJ because you are not a current fed. Maybe someone who is a current sitting ALJ came to the position as a "former fed" too and can chime in with their experience. i think they would base your pay on a former fed job. However for all I would say have your sf50 showing that salary ready. My experience is varied. When I worked for SSA as an attorney they started me as a 11 rather than a 9 based on my former fed salary. About 2 years prior I had left a fed job. In the intervening time I had a private employer. Then when I left SSA I worked for a small private company (a mistake). Stayed there about 6 months took temp jobs until I got my present federal job. Upon getting an offer I started at a higher step consistent with my SSA base pay. All negotiations and setting of pay were made at offer or within 24 hours thereof (the decision period). On each occasion I was required to and able to fax my sf50 to the HR professional At the time or immediately after call. No privAte sector salary was ever taken into consideration. But I was a relatively new attorney and could not argue that my intermittent private experience warranted higher salary.
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