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Post by funkyodar on Apr 15, 2015 9:41:22 GMT -5
I expect that is exactly what will happen CT. That's why the info I got that the May class will be small makes sense. they will hire for the few cities where they don't have to interview. Cities that have been on certs before and no hires made seem the easiest, assuming no high scoring vet has since entered the fray.
But, I expect that number is lower than many think. Cities that were certed and never hired and cities where they wanted to hire say 2 but only hired one....well, why didnt they hire for that city or slot previously? Likely because they didn't like the options that were reachable? And those cities will have the same options in range now. So, now, do they hire one they previously decided they didnt want? Do they have more ability to three strike and get to one they do like? Does the rearrangement of the chess board give them more flexibility? Who knows...
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Post by cubbietax on Apr 15, 2015 9:50:53 GMT -5
I expect that is exactly what will happen CT. That's why the info I got that the May class will be small makes sense. they will hire for the few cities where they don't have to interview. Cities that have been on certs before and no hires made seem the easiest, assuming no high scoring vet has since entered the fray. But, I expect that number is lower than many think. Cities that were certed and never hired and cities where they wanted to hire say 2 but only hired one....well, why didnt they hire for that city or slot previously? Likely because they didn't like the options that were reachable? And those cities will have the same options in range now. So, now, do they hire one they previously decided they didnt want? Do they have more ability to three strike and get to one they do like? Does the rearrangement of the chess board give them more flexibility? Who knows... Well you are a real buzz kill . You may be right about the quality of candidate they desire not being there, but I choose to disbelieve this thought.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 15, 2015 10:05:02 GMT -5
I'm sure the poor quality was confined to those above you on the list CT. I mean, have you seen those others on here hoping for a Chitown locale? Sheesh.
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Post by Missundaztood on Apr 15, 2015 10:07:59 GMT -5
I'm sure the poor quality was confined to those above you on the list CT. I mean, have you seen those others on here hoping for a Chitown locale? Sheesh. I resemble that remark.
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Post by gary on Apr 15, 2015 10:12:32 GMT -5
I'm sure the poor quality was confined to those above you on the list CT. I mean, have you seen those others on here hoping for a Chitown locale? Sheesh. Now it's personal.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 15, 2015 10:14:04 GMT -5
I'm sure the poor quality was confined to those above you on the list CT. I mean, have you seen those others on here hoping for a Chitown locale? Sheesh. Now it's personal. No, no. Now its personnel.
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 15, 2015 10:19:04 GMT -5
Here is my thinking and it largely echoes what Funky said.
Any place that they can hire without needing to interview any of the top 3 is in play. Where those locales are is something of a mystery. I think Evanston and Orland Park are both likely options. The only fly in that ointment is 10pt vets with high scores who have gotten onto the register. Without knowing how many there are or what their GAL looks like I can't say anything other than they could be a barrier to quick hires.
On Funky's other point about people who have been passed over previously. If you got the email they didn't three strike you and they need to get some warm bodies in this May class. Maybe they decide whatever hang ups they had before aren't that big a deal after all. For a number of my friends here I hope that is absolutely what happens.
Miss brings up the point about paperwork not being due until Friday for 1st certers and I had forgotten about that. If they actually run the new credit checks etc. then it may be longer. If it was just a formality to get the paperwork updated then they could start on Saturday? If I were a 1st certer I would get mine in ASAP.
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Post by gary on Apr 15, 2015 10:21:49 GMT -5
I agree with G entirely.
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Post by gary on Apr 15, 2015 10:24:09 GMT -5
No, no. Now its personnel. Human resources professionals prefer that you call that "the P word."
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Post by mikeinthehills on Apr 15, 2015 10:31:47 GMT -5
Time for my WAG on offers. I think they will start early next week, Monday or Tuesday. While all paperwork has to be in by Friday, the cities selections and rankings are due today. That gives the powers that be time to consider offers starting tomorrow. As for hiring in particular offices and first timers, our poll shows only 12 newbies, with 65 repeat offenders. That small number really surprises me. I think that will leave plenty of hiring possibilities without odar being bogged down with interviews first. I also think they may get to hire more than a small class once they get rolling. We'll know soon enough.
The long delay in getting certs out was painful. But the result, such a quick turnaround time to hiring, may make it worth it.
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Post by Missundaztood on Apr 15, 2015 10:47:55 GMT -5
Here is my thinking and it largely echoes what Funky said. Any place that they can hire without needing to interview any of the top 3 is in play. Where those locales are is something of a mystery. I think Evanston and Orland Park are both likely options. The only fly in that ointment is 10pt vets with high scores who have gotten onto the register. Without knowing how many there are or what their GAL looks like I can't say anything other than they could be a barrier to quick hires. On Funky's other point about people who have been passed over previously. If you got the email they didn't three strike you and they need to get some warm bodies in this May class. Maybe they decide whatever hang ups they had before aren't that big a deal after all. For a number of my friends here I hope that is absolutely what happens. Miss brings up the point about paperwork not being due until Friday for 1st certers and I had forgotten about that. If they actually run the new credit checks etc. then it may be longer. If it was just a formality to get the paperwork updated then they could start on Saturday? If I were a 1st certer I would get mine in ASAP. As an "omni-certer," I am working on my paperwork as fast as I can. Meaning, checking up that references and supervisors haven't retired (or worse) in the year since I last submitted! Just in case!!!
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Post by wingnut on Apr 15, 2015 11:20:07 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there are 77 names for 62 cities (or whatever that number was), with the possibility of some cities hiring more than one ALJ, isn't this cert a bit different than the others where there was a bit more padding? The last go-round was so messy and confusing I gave up trying to understand it. But the impression I get was maybe the people on the current cert are people "they" wanted already but just didn't have space for in the training rooms (plus 12.) Please, be gentle with me, I haven't had my second cup of coffee yet.
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Post by mikeinthehills on Apr 15, 2015 11:24:56 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there are 77 names for 62 cities (or whatever that number was), with the possibility of some cities hiring more than one ALJ, isn't this cert a bit different than the others where there was a bit more padding? The last go-round was so messy and confusing I gave up trying to understand it. But the impression I get was maybe the people on the current cert are people "they" wanted already but just didn't have space for in the training rooms (plus 12.) Please, be gentle with me, I haven't had my second cup of coffee yet. There appears to be much less padding to the current cert. That could be good news for those on the certs. Or it could bolster Funky's intel that this hire will be smaller. Or a supplemental cert may issue between now and the hire for June. Time will tell.
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Post by mch135 on Apr 15, 2015 11:30:36 GMT -5
I called and for those of us first certers who have to resubmit paperwork, they aren't re-running the entire background check (ie if your references were called before they aren't calling them again). Apparently the forms we submitted were only good for a year, so they will only do a very limited check, which will include calling your current supervisor.
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Post by Missundaztood on Apr 15, 2015 11:40:56 GMT -5
I called and for those of us first certers who have to resubmit paperwork, they aren't re-running the entire background check (ie if your references were called before they aren't calling them again). Apparently the forms we submitted were only good for a year, so they will only do a very limited check, which will include calling your current supervisor. Thanks!
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Post by Missundaztood on Apr 15, 2015 11:48:33 GMT -5
BTW, awesome! My current supervisor thinks I will be an OUTSTANDING SSA ALJ!
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Post by mamaru on Apr 15, 2015 12:44:19 GMT -5
Mamaru makes valid points. But, I think Middlesboro is quite a telling example. When I and my fellow August 14 classmate transferred out, that left exactly one ALJ in the office. The Hocalj had previously transfered to another office and was splitting time as interim for MB and at the new office. To date they have not filled the Hocalj position. Then, 4 brand new newbies arrived in March. 4 Nodars. So, that office now has one experienced ALJ and 4 newbies that began FC training this week. That one experienced ALJ and the 4 newbies fill all ALJ offices except for the vacant Hocalj office which will presumably need to remain open for a Hocalj hire. Yet, MB is on this cert. Maybe they won't hire another for there, maybe they will. There are three hearing rooms (so 6 judges) and another three in a permanent remote site nearby, so hearing room space isnt a precluding issue. There is a vacant writer's office or two, I believe. Point is, the agency apparently had no problem hiring 4 brand new, no agency experience ALJs and placing them in an office with one experienced judge to mentor them. And now appears poised to hire another one or two. It's a brave new world folks. The old paradigms don't apply. If there is open space at an HO, dont be surprised to see a judge sitting in it soon. Despite any issues that may have prevented such in the past. WOW - about not having mentors.
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Post by anotherfed on Apr 15, 2015 12:58:20 GMT -5
BTW, awesome! My current supervisor thinks I will be an OUTSTANDING SSA ALJ! Your current supervisor is biased.... ;-) DISCLAIMER: I am just teasing based on my belief that Miss is a sole practitioner. I concur with Miss' current supervisor.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 15, 2015 13:03:52 GMT -5
I will say the one experienced Judge in MB is awesome and a great mentor. And I assume they assigned the 4 newbies someone from another office they can call upon....but 4 brand new judges in an office with only 1 experienced ALJ? Never would have thunk it in years past.
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Post by gary on Apr 15, 2015 13:32:52 GMT -5
I will say the one experienced Judge in MB is awesome and a great mentor. And I assume they assigned the 4 newbies someone from another office they can call upon....but 4 brand new judges in an office with only 1 experienced ALJ? Never would have thunk it in years past. They wouldn't have this problem in Middlesboro if they hadn't let one slacker judge transfer to Tupelo.
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