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Post by Gaidin on May 7, 2015 9:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by Gaidin on May 7, 2015 10:04:57 GMT -5
The January hiring class showed up on the transfer list for the first time and it grew substantially.
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Post by yellowbird on May 7, 2015 10:07:53 GMT -5
Thanks, G!
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Post by moopigsdad on May 7, 2015 14:52:45 GMT -5
Thanks Gaidin as usual my friend. Nice job at compiling the numbers.  |
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Post by luckylady2 on May 7, 2015 16:45:33 GMT -5
Awesome as usual - Thanks!
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Post by hapi2balj on Jun 11, 2015 14:08:12 GMT -5
What I love about this poll is that it shows my top three choices don't seem at all to be popular! It gives me hope that if I get an assignment in another location, I'll be able to transfer back. What's the conventional wisdom as to how long an ALJ has to wait before being able to "put in" for a transfer to a new ODAR location?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 11, 2015 14:13:51 GMT -5
What I love about this poll is that it shows my top three choices don't seem at all to be popular! It gives me hope that if I get an assignment in another location, I'll be able to transfer back. What's the conventional wisdom as to how long an ALJ has to wait before being able to "put in" for a transfer to a new ODAR location? 90 days and you can put yourself on the list with 5 choices. Much more detail in other threads. |
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Post by Mocha5 on Jun 11, 2015 15:06:41 GMT -5
As a first time poster and long time lurker, I want to start by thanking everyone for all the helpful information on the board. It's a great community and I'm hopeful to join many of you in real life before long.
My question: What is the relationship between the transfer list and the cities that are on the cert? Or, put differently, when does ODAR fill a vacancy with a new judge rather than a transfer? If you're being interviewed for a location, does that mean that incumbent judges have passed it up already?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by hapi2balj on Jun 12, 2015 9:04:57 GMT -5
As a first time poster and long time lurker, I want to start by thanking everyone for all the helpful information on the board. It's a great community and I'm hopeful to join many of you in real life before long. My question: What is the relationship between the transfer list and the cities that are on the cert? Or, put differently, when does ODAR fill a vacancy with a new judge rather than a transfer? If you're being interviewed for a location, does that mean that incumbent judges have passed it up already? Thanks in advance! Great question and one I'm very interested in as well. I've looked back at some of the great info that Gaidin has posted in spreadsheet form about transfers; from what I've seen so far, a lot of people have transferred OUT of my top three desired ODAR locations and NO ONE has transferred in to any of them. I'd like to think that is very good news for me, if I am lucky enough to get a position but not in one of these three locations, with reference to the opportunity to transfer to one of them not too far down the road. |
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 12, 2015 9:13:36 GMT -5
As a first time poster and long time lurker, I want to start by thanking everyone for all the helpful information on the board. It's a great community and I'm hopeful to join many of you in real life before long. My question: What is the relationship between the transfer list and the cities that are on the cert? Or, put differently, when does ODAR fill a vacancy with a new judge rather than a transfer? If you're being interviewed for a location, does that mean that incumbent judges have passed it up already? Thanks in advance! The answer is a qualified maybe. Often they have worked the transfer list and people said no. Sometimes people get on the transfer list after it is certed. I know of at least one ALJ who was sent a "will you transfer if we ask" letter for a city that had an ALJ hired into this time around after the hire was made. Except for looking at places with lots of requests to transfer out and few if any requests to transfer in as a sign that a location is more likely to be hiring than others the list has little predictive quality related to hiring. |
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 12, 2015 9:14:58 GMT -5
As a first time poster and long time lurker, I want to start by thanking everyone for all the helpful information on the board. It's a great community and I'm hopeful to join many of you in real life before long. My question: What is the relationship between the transfer list and the cities that are on the cert? Or, put differently, when does ODAR fill a vacancy with a new judge rather than a transfer? If you're being interviewed for a location, does that mean that incumbent judges have passed it up already? Thanks in advance! Welcome to the board! First when you interview you are not interviewing for a specific city but instead for that agency. If they want you, then they look at their needs and your GAL. The transfer list is worked before being placed on a cert. Folks may not be ready to transfer when that happens and can elect to keep their spot by declining the transfer when the preliminary email comes to them. Then a city is open to a cert for a newbie and the transfers are frozen for that city. EDIT and what Gaidin said, if several spots are open there may be a transfer and a newbie. |
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Post by grassgreener on Jun 12, 2015 9:58:33 GMT -5
I don't entirely understand the workings of the transfer list, especially as new ALJs are being placed in ODARs with long transfer lists - it's possible that all those folks said no.
I am hypothesizing that the transfers list only need to be worked when there is an actual opening in that ODAR created when an ALJ retires, leaves the Agency etc., but not when an opening was created when someone transfers out and I suspect, not when there is only nonconforming space available.
Throwing it out there - don't know if I'm right.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 12, 2015 10:06:04 GMT -5
I don't entirely understand the workings of the transfer list, especially as new ALJs are being placed in ODARs with long transfer lists - it's possible that all those folks said no. I am hypothesizing that the transfers list only need to be worked when there is an actual opening in that ODAR created when an ALJ retires, leaves the Agency etc., but not when an opening was created when someone transfers out and I suspect, not when there is only nonconforming space available. Throwing it out there - don't know if I'm right. I am pretty sure you are wrong. Based upon everything I have been told openings however created have to be offered to people on the transfer list before they can be offered to new hires. Once the transfer list for a location has been worked it is frozen until the new hire(s) are made or the certs are closed. What i suspect happened in the example I mentioned above is that ODAR worked the transfer list for West Craplandia did not get a transfer and then got a cert for it. They hired a candidate. Then another ALJ left West Craplandia so they had to work the the transfer list again before they could hire for that city. The thing about the bulk of outbound transfers right now is they are created by ALJs leaving their initial hiring location. All the sitting ALJs that wanted to go to West Crapton transferred there previously. So what you get is a line at the exit to West Crapton with no urgency to go there. |
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Post by gary on Jun 12, 2015 10:10:31 GMT -5
I don't entirely understand the workings of the transfer list, especially as new ALJs are being placed in ODARs with long transfer lists - it's possible that all those folks said no. I am hypothesizing that the transfers list only need to be worked when there is an actual opening in that ODAR created when an ALJ retires, leaves the Agency etc., but not when an opening was created when someone transfers out and I suspect, not when there is only nonconforming space available. Throwing it out there - don't know if I'm right. I am pretty sure you are wrong. Based upon everything I have been told openings however created have to be offered to people on the transfer list before they can be offered to new hires. Once the transfer list for a location has been worked it is frozen until the new hire(s) are made or the certs are closed. What i suspect happened in the example I mentioned above is that ODAR worked the transfer list for West Craplandia did not get a transfer and then got a cert for it. They hired a candidate. Then another ALJ left West Craplandia so they had to work the the transfer list again before they could hire for that city. The thing about the bulk of outbound transfers right now is they are created by ALJs leaving their initial hiring location. All the sitting ALJs that wanted to go to West Crapton transferred there previously. So what you get is a line at the exit to West Crapton with no urgency to go there. That sounds like what I've heard too. I think much of this may be controlled by the CBA. |
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jun 12, 2015 10:49:34 GMT -5
I don't entirely understand the workings of the transfer list, especially as new ALJs are being placed in ODARs with long transfer lists - it's possible that all those folks said no. I am hypothesizing that the transfers list only need to be worked when there is an actual opening in that ODAR created when an ALJ retires, leaves the Agency etc., but not when an opening was created when someone transfers out and I suspect, not when there is only nonconforming space available. Throwing it out there - don't know if I'm right. I am pretty sure you are wrong. Based upon everything I have been told openings however created have to be offered to people on the transfer list before they can be offered to new hires. Once the transfer list for a location has been worked it is frozen until the new hire(s) are made or the certs are closed. What i suspect happened in the example I mentioned above is that ODAR worked the transfer list for West Craplandia did not get a transfer and then got a cert for it. They hired a candidate. Then another ALJ left West Craplandia so they had to work the the transfer list again before they could hire for that city. The thing about the bulk of outbound transfers right now is they are created by ALJs leaving their initial hiring location. All the sitting ALJs that wanted to go to West Crapton transferred there previously. So what you get is a line at the exit to West Crapton with no urgency to go there. THIS. |
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Post by Mocha5 on Jun 12, 2015 11:13:29 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the welcome and the helpful answers. Given my very limited GAL, it's particularly useful as it doesn't look like my first choice has a lot of potential movement one way or the other, although it appears to still be in play on the present cert.
I saw a few references to "non-conforming office space" being made available. Can anyone clarify what that term means? It conjures up images of Milton and his stapler in the basement in the like-named movie ....
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 12, 2015 11:20:36 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the welcome and the helpful answers. Given my very limited GAL, it's particularly useful as it doesn't look like my first choice has a lot of potential movement one way or the other, although it appears to still be in play on the present cert. I saw a few references to "non-conforming office space" being made available. Can anyone clarify what that term means? It conjures up images of Milton and his stapler in the basement in the like-named movie .... The CBA states what the minimum requirements for ALJ office space are. The Union and ODAR worked out an agreement that allowed ODAR to house ALJs in space that does not conform with those minimum requirements if the person taking the space was made aware that the space was non-conforming. You may not be far off. |
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Post by gary on Jun 12, 2015 11:21:01 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the welcome and the helpful answers. Given my very limited GAL, it's particularly useful as it doesn't look like my first choice has a lot of potential movement one way or the other, although it appears to still be in play on the present cert. I saw a few references to "non-conforming office space" being made available. Can anyone clarify what that term means? It conjures up images of Milton and his stapler in the basement in the like-named movie .... There are standards for what an ALJ office should be. In the big hire currently underway some new or transferring ALJs are being offered offices that don't conform to those standards. |
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Post by gary on Jun 12, 2015 11:22:06 GMT -5
Darn it, G, your answer was not only quicker, it was better!
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 12, 2015 12:41:12 GMT -5
Darn it, G, your answer was not only quicker, it was better! Ehhh. I have my moments.  |
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