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Post by Gaidin on Jun 9, 2015 11:58:01 GMT -5
I received a pm that included the following information. This was from a different member than yesterday's news. I am on board with August 10 being the next start date. September 7th is Labor Day so the start date would probably actually be the 8th.
The following dates have been set for training classes - August 10th and September 7th. My source has always given me information that proved correct. They are planning on having 40 in each class.
Was it over when the Germans bomber Pearl Harbor?
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Post by ibnlurkin on Jun 9, 2015 12:03:17 GMT -5
A murmuring chant was heard from the assembled masses: Gai-din Gai-din Gai-din !! GAi-din !! GAI-DIN !!!
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Post by jessejames on Jun 9, 2015 12:13:46 GMT -5
It was not over after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 12:16:18 GMT -5
I've also seen 8/10 in various communications.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 12:20:46 GMT -5
Although the intel says training class starts, I think those dates must be for classes to start at their duty stations. Those dates are at the beginning of pay periods. If they were training class starting dates, SSA would be planning to have the next two classes start with the agency in the middle of pay periods, which I find implausible.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 12:29:54 GMT -5
Looks like offers will begin Bastille Day (Tuesday, 7/14). Though they could go with 7/13 or even 7/10 to get a few more in the 8/10.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 9, 2015 12:31:54 GMT -5
Looks like offers will begin Bastille Day (Tuesday, 7/14). It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started earlier.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 12:33:44 GMT -5
Looks like offers will begin Bastille Day (Tuesday, 7/14). It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started earlier. I edited to allow for that possibility after you posted this.
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Post by MW2 on Jun 9, 2015 12:47:21 GMT -5
Looks like offers will begin Bastille Day (Tuesday, 7/14). It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started earlier. Is there any consensus on whether a group of new ALJs starting August 10 would be hired off the existing certificate of eligible candidates or whether they will be sending out a new certificate of eligible candidates? It seems to me the timing would be much too short for the Agency to fill a class from a new certificate of eligible candidates.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 9, 2015 12:57:14 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started earlier. Is there any consensus on whether a group of new ALJs starting August 10 would be hired off the existing certificate of eligible candidates or whether they will be sending out a new certificate of eligible candidates? It seems to me the timing would be much too short for the Agency to fill a class from a new certificate of eligible candidates. This is probably the most interesting question about these two classes. patience tells me that there are 25 cities with no reported hires still on the April certs. My guess made without any support is that the August class uses the existing certs and that somewhere in between the September class gets new certs. If they hired for August in the ext few weeks, which would be atypical, then they could close the certs and request new certs and do the interviews etc. in July after the holiday.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 13:00:42 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started earlier. Is there any consensus on whether a group of new ALJs starting August 10 would be hired off the existing certificate of eligible candidates or whether they will be sending out a new certificate of eligible candidates? It seems to me the timing would be much too short for the Agency to fill a class from a new certificate of eligible candidates. It would be tight, if possible at all. For a class with an 8/10 starting date, I think they'd have to complete any interviews before the Independence Day holiday (7/3). I'm not sure if they can get new certs and do the rest of the magic they do in time to accomplish that.
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Post by gary on Jun 9, 2015 13:04:45 GMT -5
My WAG would be they'd hire both 8/10 and 9/7 off the current certs. Then there'd be a longish intermission while they find out what their FY 2016 appropriation will be, adjust their hiring plans, and get new certs. It might be like last year with no new class until 1/2016.
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Post by aljhopeful2 on Jun 9, 2015 13:24:43 GMT -5
Nice to see this theead as an antithesis to the "self pity" thread!
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Post by coolmom on Jun 9, 2015 13:25:45 GMT -5
My WAG would be they'd hire both 8/10 and 9/7 off the current certs. Then there'd be a longish intermission while they find out what their FY 2016 appropriation will be, adjust their hiring plans, and get new certs. It might be like last year with no new class until 1/2016. Gary's take makes the most sense, especially with the November/December/January holidays. It seems unlikely they would have a training class during the holiday season.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 9, 2015 13:49:06 GMT -5
Nice to see this theead as an antithesis to the "self pity" thread! There is nothing wrong with wallowing for a bit. I just think that now that we are getting some new information its time to pick ourselves up off the ground and get back in the game. However, my offer to write FOAD letters to OPM and ODAR for other candidates still stands.
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Post by MW2 on Jun 9, 2015 14:04:23 GMT -5
My WAG would be they'd hire both 8/10 and 9/7 off the current certs. Then there'd be a longish intermission while they find out what their FY 2016 appropriation will be, adjust their hiring plans, and get new certs. It might be like last year with no new class until 1/2016. Think a new class in January would give them enough time to incorporate the folks who are currently being lined up for the writing/logic/interview testing in DC?
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 9, 2015 14:24:26 GMT -5
My WAG would be they'd hire both 8/10 and 9/7 off the current certs. Then there'd be a longish intermission while they find out what their FY 2016 appropriation will be, adjust their hiring plans, and get new certs. It might be like last year with no new class until 1/2016. Think a new class in January would give them enough time to incorporate the folks who are currently being lined up for the writing/logic/interview testing in DC? Maybe. It really depends on how many people you are talking about going through that testing.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 9, 2015 14:49:13 GMT -5
My WAG would be they'd hire both 8/10 and 9/7 off the current certs. Then there'd be a longish intermission while they find out what their FY 2016 appropriation will be, adjust their hiring plans, and get new certs. It might be like last year with no new class until 1/2016. I agree with you Gary concerning the 8/10 and 9/7 groups being filled by the April certs. However, I think ODAR will still pull a cert this FY and use it for an October starting date and possibly use it to fill some spots in January. They can use this year's money to pay for a cert used in the beginning of the next FY. I believe we call that the lead time production rule in federal appropriation law!
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Post by aljhopeful2 on Jun 9, 2015 14:57:14 GMT -5
Nice to see this theead as an antithesis to the "self pity" thread! There is nothing wrong with wallowing for a bit. I just think that now that we are getting some new information its time to pick ourselves up off the ground and get back in the game. However, my offer to write FOAD letters to OPM and ODAR for other candidates still stands. I actually had been wallowing but this thread has lifted my spirits. Both threads are useful as I see that I am not alone in my feelings.
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Post by Missundaztood on Jun 9, 2015 15:03:23 GMT -5
Think a new class in January would give them enough time to incorporate the folks who are currently being lined up for the writing/logic/interview testing in DC? Maybe. It really depends on how many people you are talking about going through that testing. Don't forget, it was approx six months after first round testing was concluded before we even got NORs...NORs come before certs.
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