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Post by neufenland on Jun 15, 2015 10:05:15 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the posting for Appeals Officer positions with USCIS? The announcement was up for only a week on USAJOBS and it was advertised as a 14.
The initial qualifications reported in the announcement skewed heavy towards having immigration experience; however, it also mentioned experience in writing appellate decisions as a way to satisfy the requirements. I have written final agency determinations in an area of federal administrative law for my entire legal career, but don't have immigration experience. Just wondering if anyone else was intrigued by the posting and went for it? I thought the job looked really interesting and put an application in.
Theoretically, it would appear as if you don't need a JD and Bar admission for the gig (but I think it would be hard to meet the advertised requirements without them).
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 15, 2015 13:43:15 GMT -5
I saw the announcement as well and I thought the following:
1) Only open one week??? They have a candidate in mind (the GS-13 in the next office)
2) It's not a GS-0905 series position. That can work against an attorney in future 0905 series jobs.
3) JD preferred but not required?? Sounds like this was written with one person in mind ( see #1 above)
So I dismissed this as any legit opportunity, but good luck to anyone who applied!
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Post by neufenland on Jun 15, 2015 15:14:42 GMT -5
I saw the announcement as well and I thought the following: 1) Only open one week??? They have a candidate in mind (the GS-13 in the next office) 2) It's not a GS-0905 series position. That can work against an attorney in future 0905 series jobs. 3) JD preferred but not required?? Sounds like this was written with one person in mind ( see #1 above) So I dismissed this as any legit opportunity, but good luck to anyone who applied! I guess one hopeful thing was that there were a few positions advertised. I'm a 14 in my agency as an attorney, but this opportunity would allow me to both write and sign the decisions. Just that bit of added autonomy would be a huge improvement as regards professional fulfillment. I've been researching the AAO's online database of cases, too, and it looks like a really cool area of law. If they have some folks picked already, I guess there's nothing to be done. I figured it couldn't hurt to try. |
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 15, 2015 16:11:07 GMT -5
It never hurts to apply.
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Post by neufenland on Jun 18, 2015 9:01:39 GMT -5
I guess there's no way to answer this from folks on this thread (as there doesn't seem to be much interest in this job posting), but I'm throwing it out there...
The email I got from USAJOBS said that USCIS/OPM or whomever sends an "NOR" email to you prior to referring the application to the people doing the hiring for this post. Even if they determine that you aren't qualified to move forward, you're supposed to get this message. Is there any way to know when this will come?
They do something similar for the ALJ process, right? You get the NOR from OPM to see if you can move on to the written test, etc. I know this is not the same program so mileage may certainly vary, but is that a weeks/months wait? Just curious to see what sort of waiting time I can ballpark.
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Post by ok1956 on Jun 18, 2015 10:13:46 GMT -5
I guess there's no way to answer this from folks on this thread (as there doesn't seem to be much interest in this job posting), but I'm throwing it out there... The email I got from USAJOBS said that USCIS/OPM or whomever sends an "NOR" email to you prior to referring the application to the people doing the hiring for this post. Even if they determine that you aren't qualified to move forward, you're supposed to get this message. Is there any way to know when this will come? They do something similar for the ALJ process, right? You get the NOR from OPM to see if you can move on to the written test, etc. I know this is not the same program so mileage may certainly vary, but is that a weeks/months wait? Just curious to see what sort of waiting time I can ballpark. The NOR for the ALJ position only came at the end after going through all the "steps" (or perhaps "hoops" is a better word). And not everyone who went to DC received a NOR, which I understand differed from past postings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 10:16:31 GMT -5
Just curious to see what sort of waiting time I can ballpark. Using the ALJ process as a guide, the waiting time could be "glacial." |
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Post by gary on Jun 18, 2015 10:53:58 GMT -5
I guess there's no way to answer this from folks on this thread (as there doesn't seem to be much interest in this job posting), but I'm throwing it out there... The email I got from USAJOBS said that USCIS/OPM or whomever sends an "NOR" email to you prior to referring the application to the people doing the hiring for this post. Even if they determine that you aren't qualified to move forward, you're supposed to get this message. Is there any way to know when this will come? They do something similar for the ALJ process, right? You get the NOR from OPM to see if you can move on to the written test, etc. I know this is not the same program so mileage may certainly vary, but is that a weeks/months wait? Just curious to see what sort of waiting time I can ballpark. I've not applied for this job, but I have been through the process for an AJ position with MSPB, which might have a similar process. There was no NOR. After a few months, I did get an email saying my application was being forwarded to the hiring official. Then after several months of crickets they notified me I had not been hired. It seemed like it took a very long time compared to anything except for the ALJ hiring process. |
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Post by neufenland on Jun 18, 2015 11:36:27 GMT -5
Thanks.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 18, 2015 11:52:39 GMT -5
I guess there's no way to answer this from folks on this thread (as there doesn't seem to be much interest in this job posting), but I'm throwing it out there... The email I got from USAJOBS said that USCIS/OPM or whomever sends an "NOR" email to you prior to referring the application to the people doing the hiring for this post. Even if they determine that you aren't qualified to move forward, you're supposed to get this message. Is there any way to know when this will come? They do something similar for the ALJ process, right? You get the NOR from OPM to see if you can move on to the written test, etc. I know this is not the same program so mileage may certainly vary, but is that a weeks/months wait? Just curious to see what sort of waiting time I can ballpark. I've not applied for this job, but I have been through the process for an AJ position with MSPB, which might have a similar process. There was no NOR. After a few months, I did get an email saying my application was being forwarded to the hiring official. Then after several months of crickets they notified me I had not been hired. It seemed like it took a very long time compared to anything except for the ALJ hiring process. Holy smokes Gary, let me see if I can find any other AO & AJ positions for you to apply for, so we can move you out of contention for ALJ positions. LOL!  |
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Post by owl on Jun 18, 2015 12:37:36 GMT -5
I guess there's no way to answer this from folks on this thread (as there doesn't seem to be much interest in this job posting), but I'm throwing it out there... The email I got from USAJOBS said that USCIS/OPM or whomever sends an "NOR" email to you prior to referring the application to the people doing the hiring for this post. Even if they determine that you aren't qualified to move forward, you're supposed to get this message. Is there any way to know when this will come? They do something similar for the ALJ process, right? You get the NOR from OPM to see if you can move on to the written test, etc. I know this is not the same program so mileage may certainly vary, but is that a weeks/months wait? Just curious to see what sort of waiting time I can ballpark. For the EEOC AJ posting that was recently open, it took OPM about 6 weeks to send out the emails to applicants saying they had been found preliminarily qualified and were being referred to the hiring agency (presumably they also sent out any "not qualified" emails at the same time). As you're aware, YMMV. I'm sure the primary variables are how many applicants applied (which often correlates with how long a posting is allowed to remain open) and how detailed the qualifications are for the position in question. Yet, despite receiving an estimated 5,000+ ALJ applications in March 2013, the last time the posting was open, it took OPM only about 4 weeks to perform all the initial qualifications reviews. |
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Post by gary on Jun 18, 2015 12:51:51 GMT -5
I've not applied for this job, but I have been through the process for an AJ position with MSPB, which might have a similar process. There was no NOR. After a few months, I did get an email saying my application was being forwarded to the hiring official. Then after several months of crickets they notified me I had not been hired. It seemed like it took a very long time compared to anything except for the ALJ hiring process. Holy smokes Gary, let me see if I can find any other AO & AJ positions for you to apply for, so we can move you out of contention for ALJ positions. LOL! So far, I haven't been very formidable competition for either AJ or ALJ. |
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Post by lizdarcy on Jun 18, 2015 14:08:23 GMT -5
The MSPB hiring process seemed odd to me when I applied about 4 years ago. It was kind of like whistling down a well. I sent in the application and waited so long to hear about it that I called the totally unrelated federal agency that was administering the competitive exam. I sort of got the impression from the very nice guy I talked to there (several times) that it was a waste of time to apply because someone had been identified from the beginning of the process as the winner. Like you, I eventually was notified that my application had been sent on to the second step. After that, nada. I waited months and finally called again. The day after I called to inquire about my application, I was notified that I had not been hired. I decided not to let it affect my sense of self-worth.
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Post by gary on Jun 18, 2015 14:40:13 GMT -5
The MSPB hiring process seemed odd to me when I applied about 4 years ago. It was kind of like whistling down a well. I sent in the application and waited so long to hear about it that I called the totally unrelated federal agency that was administering the competitive exam. I sort of got the impression from the very nice guy I talked to there (several times) that it was a waste of time to apply because someone had been identified from the beginning of the process as the winner. Like you, I eventually was notified that my application had been sent on to the second step. After that, nada. I waited months and finally called again. The day after I called to inquire about my application, I was notified that I had not been hired. I decided not to let it affect my sense of self-worth. If I let rejection for jobs I applied for affect my self worth I wouldn't be the well-adjusted specimen I am today. |
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Post by papresqr on Jun 18, 2015 15:28:48 GMT -5
Not trying to be nitpicky, but I keep seeing this and it's incorrect. I've seen it used countless times on this board interchangeably with "score," but NOR actually means "Notice of Results." I did not get a score or get on the register after DC, but I DID get an NOR telling me that. Everybody who went to DC received an NOR. It just may not have been the NOR they were hoping for.  |
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Post by ok1956 on Jun 18, 2015 17:24:25 GMT -5
Not trying to be nitpicky, but I keep seeing this and it's incorrect. I've seen it used countless times on this board interchangeably with "score," but NOR actually means "Notice of Results." I did not get a score or get on the register after DC, but I DID get an NOR telling me that. Everybody who went to DC received an NOR. It just may not have been the NOR they were hoping for. I learned something new today. :-) |
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 19, 2015 10:45:57 GMT -5
Not trying to be nitpicky, but I keep seeing this and it's incorrect. I've seen it used countless times on this board interchangeably with "score," but NOR actually means "Notice of Results." I did not get a score or get on the register after DC, but I DID get an NOR telling me that. Everybody who went to DC received an NOR. It just may not have been the NOR they were hoping for. Be nitpicky! We are bunch of highly qualified attorneys who have years of litigation experience who either want or already have a job that requires precise language and the use of terms of art that can make or break the case. An NOR does not mean a score. While an NOR may contain a score, it is incorrect to refer to your score as an NOR. This has bugged me too. We sometimes in our zeal to post, or because we are typing on a small cell phone screen, use shortcuts to express our thoughts instead of presenting an accurate and complete thought. Thanks, I feel better. |
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