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Post by scouter2 on Jul 9, 2015 7:53:11 GMT -5
Very interesting and raises a question. Does anyone know why St. Louis (downtown) is not on this list? Fully staffed they should have 12 judges and they currently have 3. Thanks.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jul 9, 2015 8:05:55 GMT -5
OK this represents my best guess on what cities are still alive. I took out all the cities (I think) that have been hired into since April. I then added back in Middlesboro and Mt. Pleasant because I don't believe you should ever bet that they will stop hiring in those offices. I then cross referenced that list against the FOAD lists people sent me. Thanks guys your pms were truly helpful. If you got a FOAD letter and had a cert for one of these cities please let me know here or in a pm. If anybody thinks I should add a city let me know and I will tell you what I think/know. Charleston,SC Dayton Fayetteville, NC Hattiesburg Lexington Louisville Macon Madison Minneapolis Montgomery Moreno Valley Morgantown Mt. Pleasant Omaha Paducah San Bernardino Tupelo West Des Moines Again thanks to everybody who responded to my request. Crowd sourcing stuff like this is really the only way to get close to the truth. G, what about Stockton, Roanoke, Queens,and Hartford? I disagreeumption is at least one person PM'd you about those. Is there a candidate out there for one of those cities who was on the cert for one of these cities bit did NOT get a FOAD/TBNT letter?
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Post by Mocha5 on Jul 9, 2015 8:31:54 GMT -5
OK this represents my best guess on what cities are still alive. I took out all the cities (I think) that have been hired into since April. I then added back in Middlesboro and Mt. Pleasant because I don't believe you should ever bet that they will stop hiring in those offices. I then cross referenced that list against the FOAD lists people sent me. Thanks guys your pms were truly helpful. If you got a FOAD letter and had a cert for one of these cities please let me know here or in a pm. If anybody thinks I should add a city let me know and I will tell you what I think/know. Charleston,SC Dayton Fayetteville, NC Hattiesburg Lexington Louisville Macon Madison Minneapolis Montgomery Moreno Valley Morgantown Mt. Pleasant Omaha Paducah San Bernardino Tupelo West Des Moines Again thanks to everybody who responded to my request. Crowd sourcing stuff like this is really the only way to get close to the truth. G, what about Stockton, Roanoke, Queens,and Hartford? I disagreeumption is at least one person PM'd you about those. Is there a candidate out there for one of those cities who was on the cert for one of these cities bit did NOT get a FOAD/TBNT letter? Picking up on SeaLaw's point and Gaidin's various lists (the cities in the 6/29 class, and then the rather small group of cities still in play for August), I'm wondering what this means for the rumored large September hire. It seems like there are just enough open cities left to fill the smaller August class, with numerous cities on the original cert still vacant. I'm not necessarily seeing how to fill a much larger September class, though. If the larger hire for September happens, does ODAR have to issue a new cert, or would they use the existing one? Can those vacancies be filled with incumbent transfers, despite the open cert for their respective cities? I'm hoping this apparent disparity means that those of us who received FOAD letters aren't quite at the end of the line ....
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Post by mamaru on Jul 9, 2015 8:34:37 GMT -5
Very interesting and raises a question. Does anyone know why St. Louis (downtown) is not on this list? Fully staffed they should have 12 judges and they currently have 3. Thanks. Good question. Those numbers are accurate.
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Post by gary on Jul 9, 2015 8:59:35 GMT -5
G, what about Stockton, Roanoke, Queens,and Hartford? I disagreeumption is at least one person PM'd you about those. Is there a candidate out there for one of those cities who was on the cert for one of these cities bit did NOT get a FOAD/TBNT letter? Picking up on SeaLaw's point and Gaidin's various lists (the cities in the 6/29 class, and then the rather small group of cities still in play for August), I'm wondering what this means for the rumored large September hire. It seems like there are just enough open cities left to fill the smaller August class, with numerous cities on the original cert still vacant. I'm not necessarily seeing how to fill a much larger September class, though. If the larger hire for September happens, does ODAR have to issue a new cert, or would they use the existing one? Can those vacancies be filled with incumbent transfers, despite the open cert for their respective cities? I'm hoping this apparent disparity means that those of us who received FOAD letters aren't quite at the end of the line .... It looks like the September class will be selected from a new set of certs. FOAD emails go out as they are closing certs. Historically they have been followed by new cert emails. The previous time I received an FOAD email I received the email for the next set of certs 4 weeks later.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 9, 2015 9:07:04 GMT -5
Picking up on SeaLaw's point and Gaidin's various lists (the cities in the 6/29 class, and then the rather small group of cities still in play for August), I'm wondering what this means for the rumored large September hire. It seems like there are just enough open cities left to fill the smaller August class, with numerous cities on the original cert still vacant. I'm not necessarily seeing how to fill a much larger September class, though. If the larger hire for September happens, does ODAR have to issue a new cert, or would they use the existing one? Can those vacancies be filled with incumbent transfers, despite the open cert for their respective cities? I'm hoping this apparent disparity means that those of us who received FOAD letters aren't quite at the end of the line .... It looks like the September class will be selected from a new set of certs. FOAD emails go out as they are closing certs. Historically they have been followed by new cert emails. The previous time I received an FOAD email I received the email for the next set of certs 4 weeks later. Yes, Gary is right that there will be a new set of certs issued. How many new cities is yet to be determined, but I have to believe there will be several, so SSA can look at a few new candidates. I think those, however, will not come out until the end of July, due to the need to finish the August hires first. It will give SSA a brief time to interview previously not interviewed candidates and then start hiring.
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 9, 2015 9:07:22 GMT -5
OK this represents my best guess on what cities are still alive. I took out all the cities (I think) that have been hired into since April. I then added back in Middlesboro and Mt. Pleasant because I don't believe you should ever bet that they will stop hiring in those offices. I then cross referenced that list against the FOAD lists people sent me. Thanks guys your pms were truly helpful. If you got a FOAD letter and had a cert for one of these cities please let me know here or in a pm. If anybody thinks I should add a city let me know and I will tell you what I think/know. Charleston,SC Dayton Fayetteville, NC Hattiesburg Lexington Louisville Macon Madison Minneapolis Montgomery Moreno Valley Morgantown Mt. Pleasant Omaha Paducah San Bernardino Tupelo West Des Moines Again thanks to everybody who responded to my request. Crowd sourcing stuff like this is really the only way to get close to the truth. G, what about Stockton, Roanoke, Queens,and Hartford? I disagreeumption is at least one person PM'd you about those. Is there a candidate out there for one of those cities who was on the cert for one of these cities bit did NOT get a FOAD/TBNT letter? You would be correct. I also got pms that should take Lexington, Louisville, Morgantown, Mt. Pleasant, and Montgomery off the list. I feel there are probably places that got hires in May or June that will hire in August I just don't know how to predict that. Although it sounds like St. Louis is a good candidate for that. One thing is how many openings ODAR asked OPM to cert. I am on my phone for a few days so I can't edit the above list.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 9, 2015 9:10:20 GMT -5
Gaidin, I am pretty sure Cincinnati may be back on the list again based upon a conversation or two.
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Post by ok1956 on Jul 9, 2015 9:14:04 GMT -5
The transfer list is being worked as I type.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jul 9, 2015 11:04:41 GMT -5
I'm hoping this apparent disparity means that those of us who received FOAD letters aren't quite at the end of the line .... I wouldn't worry about that - I'm almost convinced now that they closed out with the FOAD email when they did, to prime the pump for the next round of cert emails - that step had to be done. One would hope that the next 2 starting groups after the widely rumored small group in August will be a very large grouping indeed - the only real question will be - if/how many interviews will they need to do. There may be some FOAD recipients who are now three-struck - but it is really too early to tell. Significant numbers of those hired after the first 2 groups last year received at least 1 FOAD email.
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 9, 2015 19:08:03 GMT -5
Moreno Valley and San Bernardino are probably out. They have been FOADed.
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Post by Patience on Jul 9, 2015 22:57:24 GMT -5
Wow - it seems like there are almost no cities left! How will they put a class together?
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Post by gary on Jul 9, 2015 23:08:00 GMT -5
Wow - it seems like there are almost no cities left! How will they put a class together? Intel is that it will be a small class of maybe 20-25. Also SSA often hires more than one ALJ at a time in a location. Assuming Gaidin's inferences as to the cities they will hire in are correct, there should be plenty of locations for a class of that size.
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 10, 2015 9:24:11 GMT -5
Wow - it seems like there are almost no cities left! How will they put a class together? Intel is that it will be a small class of maybe 20-25. Also SSA often hires more than one ALJ at a time in a location. Assuming Gaidin's inferences as to the cities they will hire in are correct, there should be plenty of locations for a class of that size. Well and they will almost certainly double back on some cities they hired for. Its just almost impossible to know which ones.
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Post by Missundaztood on Jul 10, 2015 9:25:04 GMT -5
Wow - it seems like there are almost no cities left! How will they put a class together? Intel is that it will be a small class of maybe 20-25. Also SSA often hires more than one ALJ at a time in a location. Assuming Gaidin's inferences as to the cities they will hire in are correct, there should be plenty of locations for a class of that size. And a few folks have been picked up after getting the FOAD but before the next set of certs. So it is all speculation, unless you are on the hiring committee. It ain't over 'til it's over.
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Post by coolmom on Jul 10, 2015 9:48:11 GMT -5
Intel is that it will be a small class of maybe 20-25. Also SSA often hires more than one ALJ at a time in a location. Assuming Gaidin's inferences as to the cities they will hire in are correct, there should be plenty of locations for a class of that size. And a few folks have been picked up after getting the FOAD but before the next set of certs. So it is all speculation, unless you are on the hiring committee. It ain't over 'til it's over. Thanks for the encouragement Missundaztood - after spending the weekend dealing with an abscessed tooth, I picked up my phone Monday morning to find a FOAD letter. The rest of this week has been downhill from there, but I figure if we have hung in here this long, what's another few months? Survivial of the fittest!
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Post by mamaru on Jul 10, 2015 11:12:59 GMT -5
The first time these were issued this register lots of people were concerned that the FOAD letter meant they were three struck and it was all over. That is an understandable reaction if you do not know the process.
They were reassured by the Board vets that it was not the end for them, only a communication that they had not been selected that "round" of hiring, which - let's face it - was no big surprise. As others have noted, many people who received the letter have been hired. Many of our newbies were not on the Board or were not following closely when the first two sets of certs "closed" by issuing these letters -they had no context.
SSA has taken the position that transfers are "frozen" during the pendency of a cert. Several first certers reached their 90 days while there were open certs and went on the transfer list only to watch their "home" office slots filled with newbies before they could transfer. Based on that, I would say that if SSA is working a cert for a city, that's pretty good (not necessarily conclusive) evidence that they are not going to be hiring for that city for the August class.
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Post by changedusername on Jul 13, 2015 8:06:20 GMT -5
Second Foad letter this year. That means two strikes. Why do I get the feeling Bob is rearing back to fire the high heat past me for strike three? Oh well, been in the batters box for awhile so might as well stay in here and try to fight off the third strike. No cities above are for me, so bring on the new list!!!
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Post by beenlurking on Jul 13, 2015 8:09:56 GMT -5
Does anyone have an idea on when the next cert emails should be coming?
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Post by sealaw90 on Jul 13, 2015 8:28:11 GMT -5
Does anyone have an idea on when the next cert emails should be coming? To infringe on Gary's copyright, today!
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