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Post by gary on Jul 16, 2015 14:04:53 GMT -5
I am a 10 point Vet who re-tested in May. Just got my NOR and I passed! Name goes on the register. NOR dated 16 July 2015. Score of 71. Any info on what to expect next is greatly appreciated. I listed over 30 cities on my GAL. Thanks. Now you wait for your score and GAL to land you on a list of eligibles for a cert. If it's for SSA you could be on several certs at once. For SSA there is to be a set of certs for hiring in September. We don't know if they've already been returned by OPM or not. You're hoping not because you will likely not be on them if they've already gone back to SSA. If this is the case don't despair. SSA is planning to continue aggressive hiring over the next FY or two. When you make one or more certs, the agency whose certs you're on will notify you and will tell you what you need to do next. Congratulations and good luck!
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jul 16, 2015 14:06:51 GMT -5
Depending on the city, you should make the next round of certificate emails for ODAR. Get your references together and prepped, because you could have as few as 5 days to get all that paperwork returned.
I'm not sure if your score is quite in OMHA's range,, but we also don't know how many they're really planning on hiring next year. Exciting and frustrating times lay ahead.
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 16, 2015 14:14:51 GMT -5
Depending on the city, you should make the next round of certificate emails for ODAR. Get your references together and prepped, because you could have as few as 5 days to get all that paperwork returned. I'm not sure if your score is quite in OMHA's range,, but we also don't know how many they're really planning on hiring next year. Exciting and frustrating times lay ahead. My score is in the same range, and I've been contacted by OMHA previously on the register, so could happen, if this poster has the right cities on the GAL.
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Post by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) on Jul 16, 2015 15:05:44 GMT -5
I've been contacted by OMHA previously on the register, so could happen, if this poster has the right cities on the GAL. Does the OMHA cert notification / paper work / interview / hiring process differ from ODAR, and if so how? Where do they conduct interviews? And we are talking about the Ontario Minor Hockey Association www.omha.net/correct?
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Post by redryder on Jul 16, 2015 15:15:01 GMT -5
In tryng to understand the hiring process, I looked at the OPM website. Effective 11/1/2010, yes 2010, all agencies with delegated examining authority were to use the category rating method for all competitive hiring. Under this process, slecting officials select from among eligible candidates in the highest quality category without being limited to the top three eligibles. There is still recognition of the veterans preferences, but preference eligibles do not "float" to the highest quality category. They are placed as preference eligibles above non-preference eligibles within the same quality category.
Since SSA does the selections, it makes you wonder if they get the list of eligibles by score from OPM but then categorize them again using an SSA determination for quality category? Seems this would place more emphasis on the SSA interview and reference checks in the ultimate decision.
There is no mention in the materials about three-strikes. But it would suggest that as long as you are in the highest quality category, you will keep making the certificates.
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Post by beenlurking on Jul 16, 2015 15:42:30 GMT -5
I am a 10 point Vet who re-tested in May. Just got my NOR and I passed! Name goes on the register. NOR dated 16 July 2015. Score of 71. Any info on what to expect next is greatly appreciated. I listed over 30 cities on my GAL. Thanks. I am also a 10 pt. vet who re-tested in May and got my NOR of 68.7. Not as high as I would have liked but I am just VERY glad to finally be on the register!!!!! I've got every city on my GAL but with my current situation I will have to pare it down a bit! Thanks to all who post for all the helpful info!!
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Post by chinook on Jul 16, 2015 15:54:59 GMT -5
OPM regulations regarding hiring are complex. Delegated hiring authority is not the method for hiring ALJs. Therefore, what you read does not apply here.
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Post by luckylady2 on Jul 16, 2015 16:08:58 GMT -5
Congrats stmu! And welcome to the board. There's lots of threads talking about the process and what comes next, so you'd do well to real the FAQ's at the top of the 1st page of the General Board.
Basically, now that you're on the Register, OPM can refer you when an agency requests a certificate for a city that is within the geographical area (GAL) that you specified when you applied. The agency will notify you if your name appears on a certificate and may ask you to an interview. You only get 1 interview per agency, no matter how many certificates your name appears on. But when hiring, the requesting agency is obligated to consider and choose among the top 3 scorers on that certificate, so where your NOR falls vis-a-vis the others on the certificate matters, and no, you won't be told. If you are selected, you will be notified; if not, it may take quite a while before you find out you're not.
Bottom line - now you wait. Monitor the board so you know when something is happening so that you monitor your email and junk mail closely; many of the response times are quite short.
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Post by Pixie on Jul 16, 2015 17:53:37 GMT -5
Since SSA does the selections, it makes you wonder if they get the list of eligibles by score from OPM but then categorize them again using an SSA determination for quality category? Seems this would place more emphasis on the SSA interview and reference checks in the ultimate decision. You better believe SSA makes its own determination of quality. The agency cares not one bit about the score assessed by OPM. That score doesn't even enter into the equation. Pixie.
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Post by Patience on Jul 16, 2015 20:30:55 GMT -5
Are you saying that once they get the list of eligibles, they can hire whomever they want regardless of score?
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Post by hopefalj on Jul 16, 2015 20:48:30 GMT -5
Are you saying that once they get the list of eligibles, they can hire whomever they want regardless of score? No. They still have to select from the top three candidates that haven't been thrice considered. I think her point was that SSA doesn't care about NORs in terms of quality of candidate. They use their own criteria.
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Post by gary on Jul 16, 2015 20:56:35 GMT -5
Are you saying that once they get the list of eligibles, they can hire whomever they want regardless of score? No. They still have to select from the top three candidates that haven't been thrice considered. I think her point was that SSA doesn't care about NORs in terms of quality of candidate. They use their own criteria. hopefalj is right. Also, if a candidate entitled to vets preference is among the top 3, they can't hire a non-preference eligible who has a lower score, which is another way in which scores make a significant difference.
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Post by Pixie on Jul 16, 2015 21:24:59 GMT -5
No. They still have to select from the top three candidates that haven't been thrice considered. I think her point was that SSA doesn't care about NORs in terms of quality of candidate. They use their own criteria. hopefalj is right. Also, if a candidate entitled to vets preference is among the top 3, they can't hire a non-preference eligible who has a lower score, which is another way in which scores make a significant difference. Actually they can hire a non-preference eligible with a lower score. They must only have a reason for not hiring the veteran. It happens all the time. Pixie.
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Post by gary on Jul 16, 2015 22:11:30 GMT -5
hopefalj is right. Also, if a candidate entitled to vets preference is among the top 3, they can't hire a non-preference eligible who has a lower score, which is another way in which scores make a significant difference. Actually they can hire a non-preference eligible with a lower score. They must only have a reason for not hiring the veteran. It happens all the time. Pixie. I hesitate to differ with you, but my understanding is the grounds for passing over a preference-eligible are pretty narrow. According to OPM: "A preference eligible can be eliminated from consideration only if the examining office sustains the agency's objection to the preference eligible for adequate reason. These reasons, which must be recorded, include medical disqualification under 5 CFR Part 339, suitability disqualification under 5 CFR Part 731, or other reasons considered by the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) or an agency under delegated examining authority to be disqualifying ."
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Post by redryder on Jul 17, 2015 15:49:22 GMT -5
Please re-read my post. There is no rule of three under the program. There are preference eligiblity veterans, but if a vet with a high score is in the "qualified" group while a non-vet with a lower score is in the "well qualified" group, the selecting official does not have to consider the vet at all. The score may be the tie-breaker only if the vet and non-vet are both in the same group.
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Post by gary on Jul 17, 2015 15:54:04 GMT -5
That's not the regime under which ALJ hiring occurs.
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 17, 2015 16:07:53 GMT -5
Please re-read my post. There is no rule of three under the program. There are preference eligiblity veterans, but if a vet with a high score is in the "qualified" group while a non-vet with a lower score is in the "well qualified" group, the selecting official does not have to consider the vet at all. The score may be the tie-breaker only if the vet and non-vet are both in the same group. Rule of three applies in ALJ hiring. There are different protocols/ processes for other categories of jobs.
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Post by Pixie on Jul 17, 2015 19:18:06 GMT -5
Believe me, SSA can come up with a reason for non selecting. It used to happen in the past. Don't know if the game is still played that way, but I suspect that some of it is still in play.
I believe I remember that SSA could either propose the reason for non selection to OPM and have OPM sign off on it, or the make the selection without seeking approval. If the latter, then SSA would have to reserve a position in the event OPM did not approve of the reason for non selection.
I personally know one judge (a 5 pointer) who was passed over three times before being selected on the 4th time about 18 months later. At least two of the judges selected ahead of him were non veterans, and the other was a veteran, but, I believe was non preference eligible. The common thread among the three selected judges was prior judicial experience. One was an elected state trial court judge, one was a former agency administrative judge, and I don't remember the judicial background of the third judge. So, yes, this has been done in the past. Don't know what current practice is, though. The agency may currently be more careful as it appears OPM is watching more carefully.
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Post by gary on Jul 17, 2015 19:48:48 GMT -5
The language I quoted is from OPM's Vet Guide.
It may be OPM was less careful about veterans' preferences before Azdell.
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Post by Pixie on Jul 17, 2015 21:39:43 GMT -5
That's not the regime under which ALJ hiring occurs. +1. When the cert comes over to the agency, there is no "qualified list," and no "well qualified list." ALJ hiring follows a different procedure. Yes, it could be that OPM has become more careful of late. Pixie.
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