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Post by highlander9 on Aug 30, 2015 16:33:03 GMT -5
I am not in DC. And I don't mind responding to the credit question. I have good credit, no ghosts etc. My affairs are in order and there are no negative issues that would be inquired into. My life is that boring. But 71stretch, I did apply for the immigration IJ position about a year ago with respect to one city and haven't heard a peep - kind of wrote that off in my mind. I suppose it could relate to that application. The security clearance is higher. Thanks. She is going to call in the morning and ask some questions. I'll report back.
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Post by sealaw90 on Aug 30, 2015 20:54:38 GMT -5
Are there any other federal jobs you are applying for, security clearances, etc? Just wondering if it is possibly related to another position? That's my thought exactly. This is for another federal job, not SSA ALJ.
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Post by privateatty on Aug 31, 2015 6:55:58 GMT -5
Yes, she is going to ask. We did live together for years so I'm sure her name could pop up in a background check. The agent left his personal card and an information card, which states: "Your comments regarding this individual's fitness and suitability will be greatly appreciated." So it is a follow up of some kind. Seems odd as the individuals I listed on the pre-interview background info form were contacted by phone. Did you two part on good terms? I had heard that the OPM investigators were delving into applicant's past with a bit of vigor, but this is a new twist. One question from this might be to what degree does the investigator's opinion of your character (as evidenced from past interpersonal behaviors) shed light on your "fitnes and suitability"? To me, this would be a bit subjective. I spent a very long morning with my investigator. But I have wondered that if I had gotten someone else who did not have a sense of humor (yes, you need humor to delve into my past), things might have gone in another direction.
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Post by highlander9 on Aug 31, 2015 10:17:22 GMT -5
You spent a morning with an investigator? Interesting. I agree this must be for the IJ position. It was not on my radar because I recently interviewed for the ALJ position and my references were contacted within the last couple weeks for that position. It seems inefficient to spend time and money doing background checks a year after gathering resumes without first confirming with applicants that they are still available. Anyway.
The outcome of the interview with my ex will be interesting. She is very direct and not much of a filter.
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Post by funkyodar on Aug 31, 2015 10:22:31 GMT -5
The outcome of the interview with my ex will be interesting. She is very direct and not much of a filter. I think I may have married your ex.
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Post by marten77 on Aug 31, 2015 10:46:28 GMT -5
You spent a morning with an investigator? Interesting. I agree this must be for the IJ position. It was not on my radar because I recently interviewed for the ALJ position and my references were contacted within the last couple weeks for that position. It seems inefficient to spend time and money doing background checks a year after gathering resumes without first confirming with applicants that they are still available. Anyway. The outcome of the interview with my ex will be interesting. She is very direct and not much of a filter. If it is the IJ position, then it is under the background rules for DOJ, which are very thorough. When I was at the US Attorney's Office, they tracked down high school friends of mine, neighbors of everyone I had lived near since I was a teenager, college roommates as well as drinking buddies before they signed off on my background check. From what you are describing, this certainly smacks of a DOJ background check.
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Post by highlander9 on Aug 31, 2015 10:53:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I can make comments about this on the immigration judge thread moving forward, but does anyone know if it is standard procedure to start the background check prior to an interview? I have not been contacted at all regarding my application. I would understand (and want) that process to take place before or soon after an offer, but it seems premature.
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Post by marten77 on Aug 31, 2015 11:24:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I can make comments about this on the immigration judge thread moving forward, but does anyone know if it is standard procedure to start the background check prior to an interview? I have not been contacted at all regarding my application. I would understand (and want) that process to take place before or soon after an offer, but it seems premature. That certainly is the odd part about your situation. I had to undergo a pre-employment background check before I was hired at the USAO, i.e., they had already interviewed me 3 times and made the offer to me pending successful completion of the pre-employment background check. That part involved fingerprints, crim history, some contacts with people and the standard credit check, etc., etc. Overall, that part was not as invasive as the ongoing background check that took 6 months to complete after I was hired but before I received my appointment and my probationary period had expired. I admit I have no clue how DOJ would run a background check for an IJ. Since it is a quasi-judicial appointment, they may do it differently. But I'm purely speculating.
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Post by judgmental on Aug 31, 2015 22:08:36 GMT -5
A colleague told me another co-worker got rejected after his then-boss was contacted as a reference. Our employer has a policy of "no references, refer everybody to HR, who will only comment on years of employment." The boss followed employer rules, said he couldn't comment, and referred the reference-checker to HR, and the co-worker did not get hired.
Was the lack of the current work reference the problem?
How badly does that type of response go over? Both my current employer and my last employer have this rule.
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Post by Gaidin on Aug 31, 2015 22:24:39 GMT -5
A colleague told me another co-worker got rejected after his then-boss was contacted as a reference. Our employer has a policy of "no references, refer everybody to HR, who will only comment on years of employment." The boss followed employer rules, said he couldn't comment, and referred the reference-checker to HR, and the co-worker did not get hired. Was the lack of the current work reference the problem? How badly does that type of response go over? Both my current employer and my last employer have this rule. Judgemental there are older threads (linked in this thread) that detail what questions are asked and go through almost every permutation of what it means. You can chose to not have your current supervisor contacted. You really shouldn't even begin to worry about this until after the WD/SI
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Post by judgmental on Sept 1, 2015 5:52:28 GMT -5
Sorry to plague the Board with these asked-and-answered questions. I hope it isn't held against me in scoring in the SI. I was trying to search in the "search" box to the right of the posts, and getting nothing. I thought search was just really awful or there was not much activity on the board. Now I've noticed the search function at the top of the Board, used it and learned a lot already.
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Post by Pixie on Sept 1, 2015 7:13:02 GMT -5
Sorry to plague the Board with these asked-and-answered questions. I hope it isn't held against me in scoring in the SI. I have contacted OPM. Five points will be deducted from your final score (NOR). Pixie.
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Post by marten77 on Sept 1, 2015 8:38:34 GMT -5
Sorry to plague the Board with these asked-and-answered questions. I hope it isn't held against me in scoring in the SI. I have contacted OPM. Five points will be deducted from your final score (NOR). Pixie. Oh... SNAP!
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Post by judgmental on Sept 1, 2015 13:16:25 GMT -5
LOL, Pixie!
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Post by funkyodar on May 22, 2016 7:24:00 GMT -5
The post hire background check, like almost everything in this process, fluctuates.
I know one hired with me spent like 2 hours with the investigator then had to have a second meeting and had to provide a bunch of financial info. Another told me his neighbors were contacted.
I had an hour long interview, was asked to provide nothing beyond what everyone has to submit upon hiring and to my knowledge none of my neighbors, references, colleagues etc were contacted. They did pull my credit.
Guess I'm boring.
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Post by Pixie on May 22, 2016 9:24:01 GMT -5
The post hire background check, like almost everything in this process, fluctuates. I know one hired with me spent like 2 hours with the investigator then had to have a second meeting and had to provide a bunch of financial info. Another told me his neighbors were contacted. I had an hour long interview, was asked to provide nothing beyond what everyone has to submit upon hiring and to my knowledge none of my neighbors, references, colleagues etc were contacted. They did pull my credit. Guess I'm boring. Yes, my references were all contacted as well as my neighbors. Fortunately I had been a good little pixie for the past number of years. Not sure about before that. For personal references, I gave names of friends who had known me for a long, long time. After I sent the list in, I realized that maybe I should have furnished names of people who didn't know me quite so well! I guess I was boring to them, as well, as I was never contacted by an investigator.
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Post by banks on May 22, 2016 10:53:13 GMT -5
Thanks Funky and Pixie, very interesting. I thought it was a sign of our times that the neighbor thought it was so strange a detective was doing a background check, she found it necessary to call 911 and post on our listserve. Several neighbors responded that they had been interviewed in the past for folks applying for law enforcement jobs.
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Post by dcasea on May 22, 2016 11:44:56 GMT -5
Thanks Funky and Pixie, very interesting. I thought it was a sign of our times that the neighbor thought it was so strange a detective was doing a background check, she found it necessary to call 911 and post on our listserve. Several neighbors responded that they had been interviewed in the past for folks applying for law enforcement jobs. Some people don't get out much. I used to live in a big apartment building in the DC area and was left a business card of a DoD investigator asking about someone down the hall, for a clearance investigation. Did not have a clue. Told her the old lady next door was nice and let us borrow her vacuum once, and the people upstairs liked Brazilian music. Wondered how they get enough info for people who live in those kinds of places. (Of course, Stan Beeman can live across the street from Elizabeth and Philip in Falls Church and not have a clue...) When I was investigated for a TS clearance for another application, I told all of my friends and neighbors who I was listing as references or who might be contacted, and all of them got a kick out of talking to the investigator. I got the clearance but not the job.
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Post by banks on May 22, 2016 12:08:32 GMT -5
I guess I'll make a point of going to the block party this year just in case.
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Post by marathon on Jun 1, 2016 8:20:17 GMT -5
I've recently heard from two people that were listed as references that the contractor was awful. One reference said he returned several messages with explicit instructions to call his cell phone. They continued to play phone tag because the contractor continued to call his office number. It was only after my reference finally got through on a return call that he realized the contractor was not the sharpest tool in the shed. My reference asked why he didn't use the cell phone number he provided in his many messages and was told that number "wasn't on his list of number to call that was given to him by his supervisor." So he asked if he (the contractor) got the voicemails he left for him with the new number. The contractor reportedly replied that he did, and that's why he tried to call as soon as he received the messages. *smh.*
The other reference said he received two calls back to back from different people at the same company. One message was for me, the other message was from someone he'd never heard of. After he return the call to the contractor for me he told the contractor about the other message for the person he didn't know. The reply was "that's unfortunate."
Just, wow.
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