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Post by Propmaster on Sept 3, 2015 15:03:59 GMT -5
Being the harbinger of doom and gloom, let me just say that there are more than just a few "not recommended". Just look at the number that have gone through the process in the past several years. Thousands have been on certs and hundreds hired.. With that, have a great weekend. Wait one minute! Who elected you harbinger? I had the avatar and the attitude. Is this like calling "shotgun?"
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Post by funkyodar on Sept 3, 2015 15:15:58 GMT -5
Sorry prop...but Bart's been the harbinger around here for a long long time.
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Post by Propmaster on Sept 3, 2015 15:22:58 GMT -5
Sorry prop...but Bart's been the harbinger around here for a long long time. Can I be the Omen of Doom?
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Post by Gaidin on Sept 3, 2015 16:44:49 GMT -5
You can be Phil, Prince of Insufficient Light.
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Post by gary on Sept 3, 2015 16:47:43 GMT -5
How about Nattering Nabob of Negativism.
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Sept 3, 2015 16:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by minny on Sept 3, 2015 16:50:31 GMT -5
Being the harbinger of doom and gloom, let me just say that there are more than just a few "not recommended". Just look at the number that have gone through the process in the past several years. Thousands have been on certs and hundreds hired.. With that, have a great weekend. We really need a thumbs down button. Lol.
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Post by christina on Sept 3, 2015 16:53:50 GMT -5
gary, what a hilarious name for prop, i really laughed out loud on that one!!
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Post by Ace Midnight on Sept 3, 2015 16:53:52 GMT -5
I'm the Princess of Canada. But, I can't actually back that up with paperwork.
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Post by gary on Sept 3, 2015 16:55:31 GMT -5
gary, what a hilarious name for prop, i really laughed out loud on that one!! Thank you, but i can't take credit for originating the phrase. It's not often I get to use a line of Spiro Agnew's these days.
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Sept 3, 2015 17:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by christina on Sept 3, 2015 17:01:15 GMT -5
uh, no, so who was VP Agnew referring to? Congress, perhaps??
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Post by gary on Sept 3, 2015 17:03:56 GMT -5
Members of the media.
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Post by gary on Sept 3, 2015 17:05:29 GMT -5
The phrase was written for Agnew by speechwriter William Safire.
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Post by cafeta on Sept 4, 2015 2:46:39 GMT -5
How about Nattering Nabob of Negativism. Ooh, dating yourself there with that one Gary, but I do like it!
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Post by moopigsdad on Sept 4, 2015 8:38:49 GMT -5
It isn't that they cannot find decent candidates... other factors are in play. People take time to respond, some turn it down, some want deferrments, and a LOT have very limited GALs making it all very difficult to get full classes. I do not agree with this at all. At no time has anyone in management or who has hiring authority said "they can't find decent candidates." I think your extrapolation of this conclusion is flawed. You may "feel" that way, but they have not "literally" said this. They are having a hard time getting an adequate number to fill spots for a variety of reasons already discussed here. But this is putting words in the mouths of those who hire when that is not what they said. Respectfully disagree. You're both right.
I have heard from good sources that ODAR *knows* there are *plenty* of decent candidates on the register, i.e., people who have been rated recommended or highly recommended. They are quite keen to hire these people as fast as possible. So, when looking at the register as a whole, they are not having a problem finding decent (in their eyes) candidates. Point, JudgeRatty.
But I have also heard that there are more than a few who are not recommended. It is comforting to think that that rating is given only very rarely but my intel is that it is not rare - certainly not a majority of interviewees by any means but not just once in a blue moon either. Thus, at this point in the life of the register, for some location certs, the top 3 are all not recommended or are headed by a not-recommended 5- or 10-pointer, blocking the path to many desired candidates with lower NOR scores. Thus, when looking at the various top 3s at this point in the game, they are indeed having a problem finding decent (in their eyes) candidates. The slowness is not due to some epidemic of people not answering their phones or taking 24 hours or whatever. Point, propmaster.
These logjams will eventually break but it may take a combination of GAL expansion (rumored to be coming), new and desirable higher-NOR candidates coming onto certs (always theoretically in process with quarterly retesting, likely to happen in greater numbers after OPM testing this fall concludes), refreshing the register (not on the near horizon), etc.
Additionally, of course, ODAR could decide to hire some not-recommended higher-NOR scorers to free up immediate paths to greater numbers of recommended lower-NOR scorers, but the slow pace and failure to hit oft-announced hiring targets would seem to be evidence that this is not happening much if at all.
Keep the faith and don't quit your day jobs in the meantime. Good luck all.
Nice story Owl, but holds little weight based upon common sense. There are still many people with wide open or near wide open GALs with decent scores for places SSA wants to hire, but these people are not being picked up. I think the part about not recommend may be the most true. There are probably a lot more not recommend than we think. Hence, the register really lacks candidates SSA wants to hire. Not that there aren't qualified candidates, but not qualified candidates SSA wants to hire. It is their perogative to hire whom it wishes, so it decides not to hire many OPM qualified candidates.
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Sept 4, 2015 8:44:45 GMT -5
Post by ibnlurkin on Sept 4, 2015 8:44:45 GMT -5
I don't think you re disagreeing
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Post by 71stretch on Sept 4, 2015 8:48:43 GMT -5
How about Nattering Nabob of Negativism. Ooh, dating yourself there with that one Gary, but I do like it! We date ourselves around here all the time.
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Post by funkyodar on Sept 4, 2015 8:54:56 GMT -5
Ooh, dating yourself there with that one Gary, but I do like it! We date ourselves around here all the time. Not me. No dating here. It's purely physical.
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Post by gary on Sept 4, 2015 8:54:54 GMT -5
How about Nattering Nabob of Negativism. Ooh, dating yourself there with that one Gary, but I do like it! Who else can I count on to buy me a nice dinner?
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Post by 71stretch on Sept 4, 2015 9:25:29 GMT -5
We date ourselves around here all the time. Not me. No dating here. It's purely physical. I knew someone would go down that path.
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Post by redryder on Sept 4, 2015 11:02:24 GMT -5
Just wanted to comment on Moopigsdad's post. As you know, I don't have any dog in this hunt, but I still follow the board. I don't know who is the ultimate decision-maker on the hiring. But I know ODAR has a lot of information of the judges it has hired since 2007 when OPM did the first post-Azdell testing. If I was a smart analytical type, I would looking at the following data for the hires: (1) NOR, (2) number of dispositions per year, (3) remand rate. No doubt there is the person who has a high NOR but is not faring well in the other two categories as well as the reverse. But if the Bell curve holds true, there is that point on the downside. As the person doing the hiring, I would be hesitant to pick up anyone who is at or beyond that point, unless the candidate was highly recommended. The risk just isnt' worth it. And it does not appear from the reports that we are seeing ODAR going into the low 60's, high 50's like it did before the latest round of testing. So I agree with Moopigsdad. You may be on the certificates of eligibles but ODAR is showing no inclination to make the offers.
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