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Post by gary on Nov 30, 2015 20:49:53 GMT -5
Interviews may be scheduled (and held) before the paperwork is done Does the fact that your name is on a cert mean that you will definitely be interviewed? Or is there still the possibility that SSA could look beyond just your GAL and NOR at your earlier paperwork, say, "eh" and eliminate you from consideration before an interview? They can't ignore your score and GAL. Unless they determine that the hiring path they are going to take will avoid you landing in a top 3 for any position for which they are going to hire, they need to interview you. They seem to pretty much interview everyone on the certs, though sometimes they haven't interviewed everyone for the first round of hiring off a set of certs.
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 30, 2015 21:02:10 GMT -5
Does the fact that your name is on a cert mean that you will definitely be interviewed? Or is there still the possibility that SSA could look beyond just your GAL and NOR at your earlier paperwork, say, "eh" and eliminate you from consideration before an interview? They can't ignore your score and GAL. Unless they determine that the hiring path they are going to take will avoid you landing in a top 3 for any position for which they are going to hire, they need to interview you. They seem to pretty much interview everyone on the certs, though sometimes they haven't interviewed everyone for the first round of hiring off a set of certs. If you are on a cert, and return the paperwork, and have not interviewed before, unless they have made a radical change in the process, which I doubt they have, you WILL be interviewed, period. They don't stop to look at who might end up where on a particular cert before they schedule interviews. They just interview everyone on every cert who hasn't interviewed before on this register. I don't know what the last part of gary's last sentence means.
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Post by Exnicios on Nov 30, 2015 21:10:55 GMT -5
If we were in the July 2015 Cert will they call all the references again?
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Post by minny on Nov 30, 2015 21:14:26 GMT -5
I received my email and am on the cert for 1 of my 2 city minny GAL.
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Post by gary on Nov 30, 2015 21:21:12 GMT -5
They can't ignore your score and GAL. Unless they determine that the hiring path they are going to take will avoid you landing in a top 3 for any position for which they are going to hire, they need to interview you. They seem to pretty much interview everyone on the certs, though sometimes they haven't interviewed everyone for the first round of hiring off a set of certs. If you are on a cert, and return the paperwork, and have not interviewed before, unless they have made a radical change in the process, which I doubt they have, you WILL be interviewed, period. They don't stop to look at who might end up where on a particular cert before they schedule interviews. They just interview everyone on every cert who hasn't interviewed before on this register. I don't know what the last part of gary's last sentence means. ok1956 reports being on the certs in November 2014. First class hired from those certs was January 2015. ok1956 reports: "I ended up being interviewed in January and was hired to start in March." As I recall she was not alone interviewing in January 2015.
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Post by Gaidin on Nov 30, 2015 21:40:15 GMT -5
Interviews may be scheduled (and held) before the paperwork is done Does the fact that your name is on a cert mean that you will definitely be interviewed? Or is there still the possibility that SSA could look beyond just your GAL and NOR at your earlier paperwork, say, "eh" and eliminate you from consideration before an interview? You will be interviewed. However, as ok1956 said you may not get interviewed until they are ready to hire for your location. It is possible (even likely given the number of certs) that there will be two or more rounds of hiring off these certs. As ok1956 said you may not get interviewed until they are ready to hire for your location. There were people interviewed before Christmas last year but a few weren't because their cities didn't hire until later.
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Post by pumpkin on Nov 30, 2015 21:52:02 GMT -5
I received my cert e-mail - three cities (which I dutifully reported to Gaidin via PM and which I see are already included on the list posted by our information superhero, G). I guess they are, indeed, including those of us with shiny new NORs this round. Yay, Pumpkin! So happy for you and all the recent testers that made it through! Good Luck! Thank you!
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Post by sunrise on Nov 30, 2015 22:22:11 GMT -5
I tested on September 2nd & 3rd, 2015 with Pumpkin and I also received a Cert email today. I had about 10 cities on my GAL and have only one on my cert email. I will send it to Gaidin.
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Post by sunrise on Nov 30, 2015 22:26:45 GMT -5
Congrats, Pumpkin!!
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 30, 2015 23:02:19 GMT -5
Anybody with an "old" GAL get on a cert for the first time? That would be a signal to all that they intend to interview this round. They will interview in this round anyone who makes a cert who hadn't been interviewed before on this register. You don't need a "signal" for that. And I don't think "ready to hire" has anything to do with interviews, either. I don't remember anyone not getting interviewed in December because their cities' vacancies were not going to be filled then. I could see it, I suppose, if a cert or certs was literally canceled and someone only had the canceled city(ies) on their list. People have more than one city for which they are on certs, and the decision not to hire in a particular city, if it happens, seems to come later in the game, before selections are made. I think they interview everyone when they show up on a cert- it makes later hires go faster.
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Post by Gaidin on Nov 30, 2015 23:53:56 GMT -5
There were people who got certs last November who did not interview until January after most of us were already interviewed. They did not hire for any of their cities until after the January hires were made. The Oklahoma city was in this batch as were several others.
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Post by anotherfed on Nov 30, 2015 23:56:20 GMT -5
Also, for this first pass at the certs, you may have only gotten a few cities. But in coming weeks, as people strike cities and the numbers get re-jiggered, a supplemental cert email may be sent out. This happened to me in November 2014. My initial cert email only listed 5-6 cities. A few weeks later, I received a supplemental email with an additional 20+ cities.
It's a fluid process. But remember, do your analysis NOW, when you have a leisurely 5 days to make life decisions -- not when you get an offer and only have 24 hours to decide.
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Post by Propmaster on Dec 1, 2015 12:44:34 GMT -5
If we were in the July 2015 Cert will they call all the references again? I doubt it. They do not ask for the forms relevant to that process, implying that they aren't going to apply that process.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Dec 1, 2015 13:14:56 GMT -5
My "way too early" timeline:
Document return: December 4th
Interview window: December 10th through 18th
Hiring committee: ? ? ?
Offers window: January 6th through 15th
Report date: February 8th
Training in FC: February 29th (Leap Year Day) through March 25th
Eligible for transfer list: May 2017
And, being way too early, all of this is probably wrong.
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Post by hapi2balj on Dec 1, 2015 13:21:50 GMT -5
Also, for this first pass at the certs, you may have only gotten a few cities. But in coming weeks, as people strike cities and the numbers get re-jiggered, a supplemental cert email may be sent out. This happened to me in November 2014. My initial cert email only listed 5-6 cities. A few weeks later, I received a supplemental email with an additional 20+ cities. It's a fluid process. But remember, do your analysis NOW, when you have a leisurely 5 days to make life decisions -- not when you get an offer and only have 24 hours to decide. Ok, this confuses me. I've never been clear on the significance of the "top 3." I'd been under the impression that if a GAL city is certed and I'm on the register, I make the cert, period. But not so? If I make the cert, does this mean I'm in the top 3 for that city? And is SSA limited in being able to hire only from the (eventual) top 3?
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Post by hapi2balj on Dec 1, 2015 13:22:03 GMT -5
Document return - check!
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Post by minny on Dec 1, 2015 13:55:57 GMT -5
Also, for this first pass at the certs, you may have only gotten a few cities. But in coming weeks, as people strike cities and the numbers get re-jiggered, a supplemental cert email may be sent out. This happened to me in November 2014. My initial cert email only listed 5-6 cities. A few weeks later, I received a supplemental email with an additional 20+ cities. It's a fluid process. But remember, do your analysis NOW, when you have a leisurely 5 days to make life decisions -- not when you get an offer and only have 24 hours to decide. Ok, this confuses me. I've never been clear on the significance of the "top 3." I'd been under the impression that if a GAL city is certed and I'm on the register, I make the cert, period. But not so? If I make the cert, does this mean I'm in the top 3 for that city? And is SSA limited in being able to hire only from the (eventual) top 3? You are not necessarily in the top 3 if you get on a cert, although you might be. They will likely need more than 3 to end up with 3 top scorers in each location. The top 3 scorers for City A may also be on certs for City B, City C, and so on. If they all are selected for cities other than City A, then 3 more people on the cert become the high scores for City A. This is too simplistic and assumes only one vacancy in City A but you get the idea why they need more than 3 on each cert.
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Post by Exnicios on Dec 1, 2015 13:59:32 GMT -5
Now I have a headache!
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 1, 2015 14:53:57 GMT -5
Also, for this first pass at the certs, you may have only gotten a few cities. But in coming weeks, as people strike cities and the numbers get re-jiggered, a supplemental cert email may be sent out. This happened to me in November 2014. My initial cert email only listed 5-6 cities. A few weeks later, I received a supplemental email with an additional 20+ cities. It's a fluid process. But remember, do your analysis NOW, when you have a leisurely 5 days to make life decisions -- not when you get an offer and only have 24 hours to decide. Ok, this confuses me. I've never been clear on the significance of the "top 3." I'd been under the impression that if a GAL city is certed and I'm on the register, I make the cert, period. But not so? If I make the cert, does this mean I'm in the top 3 for that city? And is SSA limited in being able to hire only from the (eventual) top 3? See this thread. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/3447/confused-cert-process?page=1
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Post by hapi2balj on Dec 1, 2015 15:18:05 GMT -5
Just got the interview call - Tuesday, Dec. 15!
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