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Post by ssaer on Feb 11, 2016 16:03:05 GMT -5
It was just stated on an SSA ALJ conference call that SSA is working with OPM to begin a new ALJ exam/application process by April 1, that those interested should keep alert to USAJOBS.GOV, and that current ALJs should encourage talented and interested attorneys to apply.
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Post by gary on Feb 11, 2016 16:04:37 GMT -5
Thank you for the great intel.
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Post by Lawesome on Feb 11, 2016 18:21:47 GMT -5
Thank you! I heard my ALJs talking about the conference call. It seems they want to do some major hiring in the next few years. Also, my management was talking about office sharing for decision writers so they can put more ALJs in our hearing office. Now seems to be a great time to play the ALJ lottery!
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Post by wingnut on Feb 11, 2016 18:29:47 GMT -5
Great intel. I'll keep checking in here and on the USAJOBS.GOV site as I think I may try to up my NOR. Thank you very much for kindly sharing what you know.
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Post by Malice Aforethought on Feb 11, 2016 18:30:44 GMT -5
I heard the same thing. I was on the call, too. I could be wrong but I thought I heard it said that it might be before April 1.
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Post by christina on Feb 11, 2016 18:40:18 GMT -5
Thank you! I heard my ALJs talking about the conference call. It seems they want to do some major hiring in the next few years. Also, my management was talking about office sharing for decision writers so they can put more ALJs in our hearing office. Now seems to be a great time to play the ALJ lottery! ive heard rumors about the office sharing for attorneys and paralegals as well and that would open up more offices for ALJ's. and i've heard internally new app is opening soon as well. not to the extent of info OP provided but it has come up internally through the channels as opposed to the grapevine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 20:27:06 GMT -5
250 each year through fiscal year 2018 to total goal of 1900. Did say budget issues cut down planned 300 to 250.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 20:49:23 GMT -5
250 each year through fiscal year 2018 to total goal of 1900. Did say budget issues cut down planned 300 to 250. Awesome news if you are on the register right now or getting your NOR. Meaningless for anyone waiting for the register to open again though.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 20:59:53 GMT -5
250 each year through fiscal year 2018 to total goal of 1900. Did say budget issues cut down planned 300 to 250. I mean damn, wasn't the count of people who originally made it through in 2013 like 600 or so? And I'm assuming 200+ of those have been hired in 2015. So assuming an equal number made it through with the 2015 re-review (or whatever) that mean there's 1000 people on the register, and 750 spots before anyone from the pending refresh gets on. So if (IF, as always) this actually goes through, then you pretty much have a 75% chance of making it if you are on the register now. Congrats to everyone on the register (and pending), it's yours to lose at this point!
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Post by phoenixrakkasan on Feb 11, 2016 21:09:20 GMT -5
Competition is fierce at the last step. Do not rest on your laurels.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 21:21:42 GMT -5
Competition is fierce at the last step. Do not rest on your laurels. Absolutely. That said, I don't know your bio, but you made it, so it was likely a lot fiercer for you than it will be for these guys/gals. I t's all relative, and there's a million ways to blow what seems to be a sure thing. Just ask me!
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Post by phoenixrakkasan on Feb 11, 2016 21:30:51 GMT -5
Competition is fierce at the last step. Do not rest on your laurels. Absolutely. That said, I don't know your bio, but you made it, so it was likely a lot fiercer for you than it will be for these guys/gals. I t's all relative, and there's a million ways to blow what seems to be a sure thing. Just ask me! My only hope was that they make a mistake. They did and that is all! Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 21:53:53 GMT -5
Absolutely. That said, I don't know your bio, but you made it, so it was likely a lot fiercer for you than it will be for these guys/gals. I t's all relative, and there's a million ways to blow what seems to be a sure thing. Just ask me! My only hope was that they make a mistake. They did and that is all! Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Doubtlessly they sensed your humility and knew that you would be a excellent judge!
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Post by Lawesome on Feb 11, 2016 22:31:59 GMT -5
In looking at the timelines for the previous announcements, wouldn't new applicants have a shot at 2017 or 2018 hires (assuming the application opens by April 1st)? I would not completely rule it out for them. Especially in light of the fact that the participants of the conference call were told to encourage people to apply. I realize SSA does not create the register, but it could be seen as an encouraging sign for new applicants. Remember, I'm new here, so feel free to correct me.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 23:00:43 GMT -5
In looking at the timelines for the previous announcements, wouldn't new applicants have a shot at 2017 or 2018 hires (assuming the application opens by April 1st)? I would not completely rule it out for them. Especially in light of the fact that the participants of the conference call were told to encourage people to apply. I realize SSA does not create the register, but it could be seen as an encouraging sign for new applicants. Remember, I'm new here, so feel free to correct me. We're almost 1/2 way through FY 16. The earliest that I know of anyone getting picked up from the March 2013 opening was March 2015. So maybe, arguably, the tail end 2018 maybe influenced by the refresh. Really why call it a refresh at that point, as everyone left with any open GAL will have been passed over many times. So maybe. But more than likely, to the extent these goals are met, they will have completely exhausted the 013 register, more so than any post 07 register. if they actually get 1900 ALJs, almost all of them will be less than 10-15 years into their life tenure, and attrition will be non-existent. And no more baby boomers to justify the numbers. All of which to say, if you aren't on now, don't expect any movement near this magnitude until 2030-35ish, probably later. 2013 was the year to get on for sure. basically if you have the 7 years now, your next best shot will be when you hit 55-60 ish.
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Post by Lawesome on Feb 11, 2016 23:26:10 GMT -5
In looking at the timelines for the previous announcements, wouldn't new applicants have a shot at 2017 or 2018 hires (assuming the application opens by April 1st)? I would not completely rule it out for them. Especially in light of the fact that the participants of the conference call were told to encourage people to apply. I realize SSA does not create the register, but it could be seen as an encouraging sign for new applicants. Remember, I'm new here, so feel free to correct me. We're almost 1/2 way through FY 16. The earliest that I know of anyone getting picked up from the March 2013 opening was March 2015. So maybe, arguably, the tail end 2018 maybe influenced by the refresh. Really why call it a refresh at that point, as everyone left with any open GAL will have been passed over many times. So maybe. But more than likely, to the extent these goals are met, they will have completely exhausted the 013 register, more so than any post 07 register. if they actually get 1900 ALJs, almost all of them will be less than 10-15 years into their life tenure, and attrition will be non-existent. And no more baby boomers to justify the numbers. All of which to say, if you aren't on now, don't expect any movement near this magnitude until 2030-35ish, probably later. 2013 was the year to get on for sure. basically if you have the 7 years now, your next best shot will be when you hit 55-60 ish. Oh, okay. I was thinking the first hires from the 2013 announcement started in August 2014. I'm still learning this board and the application process, though. Maybe what I saw was for something else.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 23:29:28 GMT -5
We're almost 1/2 way through FY 16. The earliest that I know of anyone getting picked up from the March 2013 opening was March 2015. So maybe, arguably, the tail end 2018 maybe influenced by the refresh. Really why call it a refresh at that point, as everyone left with any open GAL will have been passed over many times. So maybe. But more than likely, to the extent these goals are met, they will have completely exhausted the 013 register, more so than any post 07 register. if they actually get 1900 ALJs, almost all of them will be less than 10-15 years into their life tenure, and attrition will be non-existent. And no more baby boomers to justify the numbers. All of which to say, if you aren't on now, don't expect any movement near this magnitude until 2030-35ish, probably later. 2013 was the year to get on for sure. basically if you have the 7 years now, your next best shot will be when you hit 55-60 ish. Oh, okay. I was thinking the first hires from the 2013 announcement started in August 2014. I'm still learning this board and the application process, though. Maybe what I saw was for something else. Don't take mine as gospel, there might have been some hires earlier. But I would doubt 8/14, since that was right after everyone I knew went for the SI/WD in July 2014. I did not get a proper rejection letter until March of 2014.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 11, 2016 23:31:14 GMT -5
We're almost 1/2 way through FY 16. The earliest that I know of anyone getting picked up from the March 2013 opening was March 2015. So maybe, arguably, the tail end 2018 maybe influenced by the refresh. Really why call it a refresh at that point, as everyone left with any open GAL will have been passed over many times. So maybe. But more than likely, to the extent these goals are met, they will have completely exhausted the 013 register, more so than any post 07 register. if they actually get 1900 ALJs, almost all of them will be less than 10-15 years into their life tenure, and attrition will be non-existent. And no more baby boomers to justify the numbers. All of which to say, if you aren't on now, don't expect any movement near this magnitude until 2030-35ish, probably later. 2013 was the year to get on for sure. basically if you have the 7 years now, your next best shot will be when you hit 55-60 ish. Oh, okay. I was thinking the first hires from the 2013 announcement started in August 2014. I'm still learning this board and the application process, though. Maybe what I saw was for something else. A good rule of thumb with OPM is to take your best guess as to the time it will take, double it, then add 6 months. You'll probably be in the ball park.
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 11, 2016 23:56:57 GMT -5
Oh, okay. I was thinking the first hires from the 2013 announcement started in August 2014. I'm still learning this board and the application process, though. Maybe what I saw was for something else. Don't take mine as gospel, there might have been some hires earlier. But I would doubt 8/14, since that was right after everyone I knew went for the SI/WD in July 2014. I did not get a proper rejection letter until March of 2014. The first hires started in August 2014. The WD/SI was in fall 2013.
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Post by christina on Feb 12, 2016 4:56:56 GMT -5
Hey, based on the 2007 and 2008 testing, the first pickups from those apps were about a year after people filed, so using those stats, i'd say April 2017 at ABSOLUTE earliest for people who apply soon. And it has come up on here that the first of those who applied around March 2013 got picked up I want to say August 2014 and they were attorney superstars. Either way, be prepared for a long wait.
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