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Post by wingnut on Aug 11, 2016 12:06:50 GMT -5
I am not quite sure where to post this, but my worst fear is landing in a "bad" office with cruel or incompetent people. I am an outsider and want to learn good habits and to be treated civilly. I have endured a bad office in the past, it was pretty much my version of Hell. I have been lucky to work with the best people for the last 18 years but I haven't forgotten the total demoralization of being the new guy in a dysfunctional office. If anyone can discreetly point me to some resources or simply pm me with suggested places to avoid I would be most appreciative. I trust there are not many such places but human nature being what it is, I cannot believe there are none.
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Post by weisstho on Aug 11, 2016 12:22:52 GMT -5
Queenie - thank you for sticking up for my Native Land, but, with respect, my bona fides are pristine. Why Michigan isn't the most popular place in the world is a little bewildering.
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Post by yellowbird on Aug 11, 2016 12:37:52 GMT -5
Queenie - thank you for sticking up for my Native Land, but, with respect, my bona fides are pristine. Why Michigan isn't the most popular place in the world is a little bewildering. SHHH. Dont tell everyone what they are missing! Sure, it snows in Michigan, but, Michigan also has 4 seasons, including a perfect 80-90 degree summer (okay...sometimes it hits 95....). But, there is always a lake close by where you can cool off
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Post by wingnut on Aug 11, 2016 13:09:04 GMT -5
I'm actually really looking at some of the places in Michigan. I visited in 2015 and it was one of the places that opened my eyes to the possibility of going on an adventure to another part of the country.
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Post by weisstho on Aug 11, 2016 13:20:06 GMT -5
Queenie - thank you for sticking up for my Native Land, but, with respect, my bona fides are pristine. Why Michigan isn't the most popular place in the world is a little bewildering. SHHH. Dont tell everyone what they are missing! Sure, it snows in Michigan, but, Michigan also has 4 seasons, including a perfect 80-90 degree summer (okay...sometimes it hits 95....). But, there is always a lake close by where you can cool off There are 11,037 inland lakes in Michigan (eat your heart out, Minnesota!!) And these are lakes 5 acres in size, or larger. You can add another 35,000 lakes smaller than 5 acres, which presumably does not include the mud puddles I played in as a kid (though they were large enuf to float my 2x4 sailboats.) According to the Michigan Historical Society, one is never more than 6 miles from an inland lake or more than 85 miles from one of the Great Lakes.
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Post by roggenbier on Aug 11, 2016 17:30:13 GMT -5
I like Johnstown, PA. There is nothing like coming over the hill into the bowl wherein the city sits onto a skein of black ice and skiing to the ODAR office.
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Post by christina on Aug 11, 2016 17:46:17 GMT -5
I like Johnstown, PA. There is nothing like coming over the hill into the bowl wherein the city sits onto a skein of black ice and skiing to the ODAR office. Funny!
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Post by tripper on Aug 11, 2016 22:30:19 GMT -5
The rest of u may luck out. Mtp is pretty low on my preference list this time around. Now if mtp had a climate more like ky in the winter, it could have been my number one pick. Alas I'll be happy to take it for you 😊
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Post by tripper on Aug 11, 2016 22:35:47 GMT -5
Queenie - thank you for sticking up for my Native Land, but, with respect, my bona fides are pristine. Why Michigan isn't the most popular place in the world is a little bewildering. As I spend my "vacation" in northern Michigan working on my paperwork and choosing locations, very little but maybe Albuquerque looks appealing. I just hope my printer/scanner works tomorrow.
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Post by tripper on Aug 11, 2016 22:37:41 GMT -5
Ok. Enough of the Michigan love fest. I will take it for the team.
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Post by tripper on Aug 11, 2016 22:41:12 GMT -5
But in all seriousness, no one should take Grand Rapids off their GAL if considering northern cities. Big airport, relatively urban area. Beautiful landscape and short drive to outstanding beaches on Lake Michigan. No salt no sharks 😉
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Post by weisstho on Aug 11, 2016 23:02:07 GMT -5
But in all seriousness, no one should take Grand Rapids off their GAL if considering northern cities. Big airport, relatively urban area. Beautiful landscape and short drive to outstanding beaches on Lake Michigan. No salt no sharks 😉 a totally civilized city, Grand Rapids.
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Post by sealaw90 on Aug 11, 2016 23:29:37 GMT -5
Grand Rapids was the first place I made the evening news beating a homicide rap on a Coastie. It will always have a soft spot in my heart.
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Post by roggenbier on Aug 12, 2016 4:59:46 GMT -5
The prize for most dysfunctional ODAR office has changed over the years. Dover is still the inside favorite. No doubt, karma will consign me there one way or another.
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Post by christina on Aug 12, 2016 5:00:44 GMT -5
The prize for most dysfunctional ODAR office has changed over the years. Dover is still the inside favorite. No doubt, karma will consign me there one way or another. not so sure Dover deserves that prize but thanks for tip. there are other strong nominees :/
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Post by sealaw90 on Aug 12, 2016 10:57:57 GMT -5
What I have discovered over many decades is that your opinion of dysfunction is really dependant on your daily view.
The back of the head of the guy you are marching behind affords little perspective on where the formation is headed.
It also makes you think you are wasting your time, what you're doing is stupid, etc.
I'll take your place in Dover and let you know how it is in a year, and if you don't have a good vibe for the place, then rank it lower.
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Post by stevil on Aug 12, 2016 12:20:28 GMT -5
Is the Miami office an internal disaster area?
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Post by Gaidin on Aug 12, 2016 12:53:45 GMT -5
Speaking of locations I am trying to see if I could do Fresno. Christina was helpful in saying it was fine. I decided how about if I see the view of city from today's Fresno news. So like and behold several shootings gang related and then the topper a drive by shooting in front of the SSA office on Olive. I say Peace out! That was my clear sign that I guess this round is not the one for me. My one city does not work for me even for 15 months, good luck to all in the running still! The ODAR office isn't on Olive. There are bad parts of town in every American city. I see several stories about crime on the news every morning here in DC. I don't assume where I am at Pentagon City is as dangerous as other parts of the area. Just as I avoid bad parts of town in DC, my home town, and where my office is located I would bad parts of town in Fresno. There are statistics compiled by the FBI that will give you a better view of an area. I can't find a link to them on mobile and the most recent FBI stats are from 2014. Here is a story linking to that. www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article37619982.htmlThe Fresno police keep monthly stats. www.fresno.gov/Government/DepartmentDirectory/Police/AboutFresnoPD/CrimeReportsandStatistics/MonthlyCrimeStatistics.htmThis of course ignores the suburbs entirely. Fresno is a city of 500,000+ people with a suburban population that gets it close to 1,000,000. Its close to lots of good stuff Yosemite, San Francisco, LA, the ocean, etc. Its cheap as heck and the schools nearby are fantastic. Its got CA income and property taxes but the cost of living in Fresno offsets those costs. Perhaps the most important thing I could say about any of these cities is don't just look at the city the office is in look at suburbs. You wouldn't necessarily live in Boston or Denver for instance so you need to figure out are there affordable suburbs or pocket communities with good schools and a manageable commute. In some places a 10 mile commute is an hour and in othgothgers its a 10 minute commute. You need to figure out what your actually looking at. For some of us health care and assisted living for family is essential. For others its climate. The humidity in DC the last few weeks has been miserable. That however, is what you get in a swamp in northern Virginia.
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Post by aljwishhope on Aug 12, 2016 13:20:02 GMT -5
Speaking of locations I am trying to see if I could do Fresno. Christina was helpful in saying it was fine. I decided how about if I see the view of city from today's Fresno news. So like and behold several shootings gang related and then the topper a drive by shooting in front of the SSA office on Olive. I say Peace out! That was my clear sign that I guess this round is not the one for me. My one city does not work for me even for 15 months, good luck to all in the running still! The ODAR office isn't on Olive. There are bad parts of town in every American city. Â I see several stories about crime on the news every morning here in DC. Â I don't assume where I am at Pentagon City is as dangerous as other parts of the area. Just as I avoid bad parts of town in DC, my home town, and where my office is located I would bad parts of town in Fresno. There are statistics compiled by the FBI that will give you a better view of an area. Â I can't find a link to them on mobile and the most recent FBI stats are from 2014. Â Here is a story linking to that. www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article37619982.htmlThe Fresno police keep monthly stats. www.fresno.gov/Government/DepartmentDirectory/Police/AboutFresnoPD/CrimeReportsandStatistics/MonthlyCrimeStatistics.htmThis of course ignores the suburbs entirely. Fresno is a city of 500,000+ people with a suburban population that gets it close to 1,000,000. Its close to lots of good stuff Yosemite, San Francisco, LA, the ocean, etc. Â Its cheap as heck and the schools nearby are fantastic. Its got CA income and property taxes but the cost of living in Fresno offsets those costs. Perhaps the most important thing I could say about any of these cities is don't just look at the city the office is in look at suburbs. Â You wouldn't necessarily live in Boston or Denver for instance so you need to figure out are there affordable suburbs or pocket communities with good schools and a manageable commute. In some places a 10 mile commute is an hour and in othgothgers its a 10 minute commute. Â You need to figure out what your actually looking at. For some of us health care and assisted living for family is essential. Â For others its climate. The humidity in DC the last few weeks has been miserable. Â That however, is what you get in a swamp in northern Virginia. Thanks for all the insight. This fool rightly or wrongly has to go with her gut and decline Fresno.
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Post by weisstho on Aug 12, 2016 13:54:45 GMT -5
I know I am addressing a well-travelled and sophisticated bunch, but are there any really bad places?
I travel to Saginaw, Michigan on occasion. One our nation's "murder capitals" with its very own drug epidemic and townships so poor that they can't afford police protection - literally there are no police employed due to budget shortfalls. Who would willingly live in Saginaw? Even Paul Simon left (figuratively) in his song "America" (...it took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw...),
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There are neighborhoods that back up to country clubs, with good-great schools, and a lifestyle that many of us would envy.
There just ain't no terrible places - One person's San Francisco is heaven and it is the next person's hell. I love Seattle - friends find fifty reasons to bash it. But it's cool.
As one of the wizards on this Board opined this morning: if you don't want to go, wonderful. Pass it to me. I'm there and thankful to be there.
But what do I know? I only pawn in game of life.
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