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Post by bartleby on May 4, 2016 15:15:29 GMT -5
Reassignment Offer Inquiries are going out, and this usually signifies that transfers are in the making shortly..
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Post by Pixie on May 4, 2016 15:22:33 GMT -5
Reassignment Offer Inquiries are going out, and this usually signifies that transfers are in the making shortly.. And for you newcomers that means that once the transfers are sorted, then the offers come out. Exciting times are not too far off. Pixie. |
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Post by Judicially Imployed on May 4, 2016 20:47:04 GMT -5
Confused. I thought the transfer list was "frozen" once the cert went from SSA to OPM. Pixie's post seems to suggest offers come out after transfers are reassigned. Since there is currently a hiring scheduled to take place for June and July., I am left wondering. Does this transfer notice mean?:
A. These transfers take place before the June hiring and then SSA hires the June class to fill in the spaces (seems wrong because transfer could fill spots and SSA may not have a certs for enough places to fill the class).
B. These transfers take place before the July hiring and then SSA hires the July class to fill in the spaces (See the problem with option A).
C. These transfers occur after June and July placements are made.
If C. Then is it safe to assume?:
1. This is very preliminary. Really, untill they fill both the June and July classes or at least know who/how/ how many offers will be made, they won't know what spots are open.
2. This seems to suggest that they would make the June and July placements at the same time. Whether they make the hiring calls together is another issue. But it seems to suggest what Gaidan has mentioned, which is they start calling in late May for both classes. Which is good!
3. Having the transfer process start already gives a good chance to get it finished right about early June. This means a cert could be requested and back from OPM fast enough, end of June?) to get the cert a possible 4th class that some have speculated about. (An August class to go along with the September that have been much discussed). Which is also good!
Just trying make sure all of the suppositions my WAG theories use are sound.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 4, 2016 20:49:13 GMT -5
Remember not all cities are on the cert list and each city is a cert unto itself. If city X is on the cert for which they intend to hire it is frozen. But if city y is not on the cert list they can transfer.
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Post by christina on May 4, 2016 21:05:59 GMT -5
ok, so i think there are 81 cities on this cert. Does this mean no one can transfer to any of these 81 cities until this cert closes? or at least no one can transfer to any of the 81 cities where there an actual intent to hire?
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Post by gary on May 4, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -5
It is possible the transfer list activity is in preparation for the next set of certs--say for the September class--rather than for the current set of certs.
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Post by bartleby on May 4, 2016 21:13:28 GMT -5
Actually, ALJ transfers will be made before offers are made. Probably in the next week or two at most.
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Post by gary on May 4, 2016 21:45:07 GMT -5
Does anybody know which cities are the receiving cities for the reassignment offers?
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Post by Judicially Imployed on May 4, 2016 22:24:39 GMT -5
Actually, ALJ transfers will be made before offers are made. Probably in the next week or two at most. Wow. That could really affect the June / July classes. Of course, Gary's point is well taken, they could simply allow transfers in the cities not on the cert. But does this mean they need to do another transfer round before the next cert in june/july? |
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Post by cowboy on May 5, 2016 9:48:59 GMT -5
Under the CBA, transfer requests are required to be considered to an office prior to any hiring for that office. Now, that has been worked in several ways. In my case, I had a narrow GAL for 5 certs and I thought I would have to reapply to expand my GAL and therefore my chances. I learned after I applied that many of the offices I had on my list were in high demand for transfers and often got filled before hiring began. However, despite a long transfer list to the office where I was hired, I took the one and only spot available in that office. I think what happened (but I cannot be sure) is that the first person on the list declined, and TPTB decided to hire for that spot rather than go to the next person on the list. Lucky me. Since then, they have changed the way they make transfer requests, but I think they will work things to their advantage to hire who they want. Generally speaking, transfers always come before each hire.
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Post by anotherfed on May 5, 2016 11:00:37 GMT -5
This is an incredibly complicated process with many moving parts (pun intended). The transfer list almost HAS to be worked before new hire offers can go out because 1) the CBA requires it, 2) filling a vacancy in City A with a transfer may open a vacancy in City B that can be filled by a new hire, 3) a transfer out may open a vacancy in a City that does not normally appear on certs enabling ODAR to reach candidates with limited GALs, etc. So many possible permutations!
The LBMT was probably added to the ALJ testing process to identify possible hiring committee recruits...
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Post by numbersix on May 5, 2016 12:33:44 GMT -5
Under the CBA, transfer requests are required to be considered to an office prior to any hiring for that office. Now, that has been worked in several ways. In my case, I had a narrow GAL for 5 certs and I thought I would have to reapply to expand my GAL and therefore my chances. I learned after I applied that many of the offices I had on my list were in high demand for transfers and often got filled before hiring began. However, despite a long transfer list to the office where I was hired, I took the one and only spot available in that office. I think what happened (but I cannot be sure) is that the first person on the list declined, and TPTB decided to hire for that spot rather than go to the next person on the list. Lucky me. Since then, they have changed the way they make transfer requests, but I think they will work things to their advantage to hire who they want. Generally speaking, transfers always come before each hire. But. Didn't that already happen prior to the issuance of these pending 81 certs? If transfers are again made, there could be no need for some of the certs. That would be pretty inefficient. When would the clock ever stop to hire new people? |
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Post by cowboy on May 5, 2016 12:53:57 GMT -5
Quite frankly, it never really stops. From what I have seen, the reassignment offers that are going out mentioned by Bartleby are for the current cert pending. True the cert is based on current openings, but if the spot is taken by a reassignment/transfer, then that spot is no longer available for a new hire. It's my understanding this is considered when forming the cert list as there are many offices in which people tend to vacate. Cleveland and other Ohio offices tend to be a "rotating door for ALJs." Thus if one spot is available in Denver, and a person fro Cleveland takes that spot, a new spot in Cleveland is now available, but not the one in Denver. That's one of the reasons why many people advocate that applicants should have a large GAL. Should an applicant only put down Miami and San Diego, that applicant may never be hired as spots are (almost) always taken by transfers. I say almost because stranger things have happened, but the likelihood is low. The reassignments don't always precede a new cert, but the ones going out now indicate the cert for the June/July hiring is imminent since the training class is scheduled and anticipated.
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Post by bayou on May 5, 2016 13:02:09 GMT -5
This is an incredibly complicated process with many moving parts (pun intended). The transfer list almost HAS to be worked before new hire offers can go out because 1) the CBA requires it, 2) filling a vacancy in City A with a transfer may open a vacancy in City B that can be filled by a new hire, 3) a transfer out may open a vacancy in a City that does not normally appear on certs enabling ODAR to reach candidates with limited GALs, etc. So many possible permutations! The LBMT was probably added to the ALJ testing process to identify possible hiring committee recruits... If the statements by current ALJs on this board that there are many vacancies in virtually every office are accurate and I have no reason to doubt it, then they could easily work both the transfer list and the new hires at the same time because you aren't talking about a 1 in-1 out situation. In fact, doing it at the same time would give them more flexibility. So practically, I see no reason why they couldn't do both other than the CBA, of which I have no knowledge. |
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Post by cowboy on May 5, 2016 13:28:37 GMT -5
This is an incredibly complicated process with many moving parts (pun intended). The transfer list almost HAS to be worked before new hire offers can go out because 1) the CBA requires it, 2) filling a vacancy in City A with a transfer may open a vacancy in City B that can be filled by a new hire, 3) a transfer out may open a vacancy in a City that does not normally appear on certs enabling ODAR to reach candidates with limited GALs, etc. So many possible permutations! The LBMT was probably added to the ALJ testing process to identify possible hiring committee recruits... If the statements by current ALJs on this board that there are many vacancies in virtually every office are accurate and I have no reason to doubt it, then they could easily work both the transfer list and the new hires at the same time because you aren't talking about a 1 in-1 out situation. In fact, doing it at the same time would give them more flexibility. So practically, I see no reason why they couldn't do both other than the CBA, of which I have no knowledge. Several of us have been repeating that for YEARS. I have no dog in this hunt as others would say, but there are several of us are anxiously awaiting for many of you to join us. I'm happy to provide helpful information if I can having bit my fingernails raw in anticipation before. As far as I'm concerned, all of you are well qualified to do the job, and if you work hard, you can do the job well. However, I don't make that decision and I don't see what they do in making their choices. For whatever reason, I hope there is a big hire this year and the years that follow. Just don't twist yourself up too much trying to figure out what they do. |
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Post by sealaw90 on May 10, 2016 11:02:50 GMT -5
Any offers accepted or still being offered??
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Post by cowboy on May 12, 2016 16:39:00 GMT -5
My understanding, yes. I have not heard from anyone recently, but this is really an ongoing process, especially with as many vacancies as there are throughout the agency. Lately I have noticed that the agency isn't very restrictive in granting a transfer especially if there is a vacancy to fill and lately, they are counting on filling non-conforming space. A new reassignment register was released for May and there are many changes. Expect that to continue to change.
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Post by ba on May 12, 2016 17:28:14 GMT -5
I learned of an accepted offer this week.
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Post by sealaw90 on May 12, 2016 17:35:34 GMT -5
Thanks cowboy and ba. Many moving parts...
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Post by bartleby on May 18, 2016 8:10:46 GMT -5
I learned of an offer and acceptance yesterday.
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