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Post by Portulaca on Nov 10, 2009 9:10:35 GMT -5
The announcement gives the option of using a resume from the USAJOBS Resume Builder, as opposed to uploading one done in another program, such as Word. Is there any reason to prefer one method over the other? It seems that the USAJOBS one would be in a format the reader would be familiar with, but the other allows more flexibility.
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Post by allrise on Nov 10, 2009 16:04:26 GMT -5
I just completed my application and paranoia is setting in. I applied in 2007 and at that time, I used the usajobs resume function. Earlier today I updated this resume. When I submitted my application, under the details tab, under documents, it states resume previously submitted and shows the date of my last application in 2007. Under the checklist tab, there is a check mark and o.k. next to my resume. Do you think I have to do anything else with my resume?
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Post by privateatty on Nov 10, 2009 17:36:06 GMT -5
I just completed my application and paranoia is setting in. I applied in 2007 and at that time, I used the usajobs resume function. Earlier today I updated this resume. When I submitted my application, under the details tab, under documents, it states resume previously submitted and shows the date of my last application in 2007. Under the checklist tab, there is a check mark and o.k. next to my resume. Do you think I have to do anything else with my resume? I did two applications too ('07 and '08), but my second resume had nothing new to report. If you have something substantive, I'd upload a new one in Word. Good luck!
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Post by tricia on Nov 10, 2009 21:34:04 GMT -5
I finished also,, and am also suffering from paranoia. The resume on USAJobs is fine, but I can't tell whether it was automatically submitted. Good Grief.
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Post by samone on Nov 11, 2009 9:14:53 GMT -5
Agreed. What does "application status incomplete, missing required documents" mean? Should it say "pending HR Specialist action"?
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Post by alj4u on Nov 11, 2009 9:47:04 GMT -5
I got two "mayday" emails both sent at exactly the same time, this morning at 1:30am EST. One said "New Status: Application Incomplete" and the other said "New Status: Application Received." Giving the apparent contradiction, I went onto my application, which shows I have completed the questionnaire, and have submitted my resume. While it does show I did not submit veterans documentation, I am not claiming any such status. Has anyone experienced this before? Does anyone know what gives?
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Post by MerelyForTheAsking on Nov 11, 2009 10:47:09 GMT -5
You do not need to submit Veterans status documentation if you are NOT claiming Veterans status. Everyone's application should read "pending HR Specialist Action" if your application was fully complete and you should receive an automated e-mail from the application system confirming same. The Accomplishment Record should show not complete (I think that's where OPM will score the AR, as opposed to you submitting the AR). There is a duplicate entry regarding completed submission of the Questionnaire, but I think that's because it counts receipt of the threshold question regarding 7 years licensure and the ARs separately, even though they are submitted concurrently. I think that oddity is just bureaucratic non-sense. I confirmed with others that they experienced the same thing. Hope that calms some nerves! But, if you're paranoid already, you'll never make it through this racketeered process. ;D
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Post by privateatty on Nov 11, 2009 12:08:38 GMT -5
You do not need to submit Veterans status documentation if you are NOT claiming Veterans status. Everyone's application should read "pending HR Specialist Action" if your application was fully complete and you should receive an automated e-mail from the application system confirming same. The Accomplishment Record should show not complete (I think that's where OPM will score the AR, as opposed to you submitting the AR). There is a duplicate entry regarding completed submission of the Questionnaire, but I think that's because it counts receipt of the threshold question regarding 7 years licensure and the ARs separately, even though they are submitted concurrently. I think that oddity is just bureaucratic non-sense. I confirmed with others that they experienced the same thing. Hope that calms some nerves! But, if you're paranoid already, you'll never make it through this racketeered process. ;D Great and informative post, mfta. Welcome! The pronouncement on paranoia is a worthy consideration. A healthy, measured dose can help to fuel the desire, but of course you have to keep this wolf from the threshold.
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Post by tricia on Nov 11, 2009 12:19:26 GMT -5
Mine says application Status Unavailable. I received an email which was Acknowledgement of Occupational Questionnaire, but it says that it got the Questionnaire, but that is not to say that the application is complete, becuase they might still need my resume. USAjobs had my resume, and I signed in through my regular sign-in, but I can't tell whether they automatically sent it. Aaagh. Tricia
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Post by bboivin on Nov 11, 2009 12:21:08 GMT -5
Somehow the resume I built on USAJobs did not get attached to my application when I submitted it so I received an auto response that my application is incomplete...and the window is closed. Is there any way to repair my error?
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Post by carjack on Nov 11, 2009 12:22:48 GMT -5
I viewed my USAJOBS resume this morning in the application manager and had a cow because next to the registered for selective service there was nothing. I thought they better not 86 me because I didn't respond to that! But then I looked at the resume in the edit function and it was checked 'yes'. I pulled up another resume and none show the question on the printed format, but the yes was checked so it shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by carjack on Nov 11, 2009 12:27:23 GMT -5
bb:
are you sure it isn't there? if you go into USAJOBS and sign in and click on 'applications' and then on the ALJ position it should take you to the AP Manager place (unless you know how to get there directly). If you go to the ALJ ap you submitted and look at the resume portion you should be able to view whatever you submitted. I couldn't view the one I submitted with the ap yesterday, but could view it today. When in doubt click on everything, eventually you'll understand how to get where and what's what.
Can you tell I'm self-taught?
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Post by lawmaker on Nov 11, 2009 12:58:29 GMT -5
bb: are you sure it isn't there? if you go into USAJOBS and sign in and click on 'applications' and then on the ALJ position it should take you to the AP Manager place (unless you know how to get there directly). If you go to the ALJ ap you submitted and look at the resume portion you should be able to view whatever you submitted. I couldn't view the one I submitted with the ap yesterday, but could view it today. When in doubt click on everything, eventually you'll understand how to get where and what's what. Can you tell I'm self-taught? I believe you have to wait til it passes through the virus checker software before it appears
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Post by tricia on Nov 11, 2009 13:07:48 GMT -5
This is the definition they give for Application Status Unavailable:
Application Status Not Available: Your USAJOBS resume has been submitted to the agency as part of your application. USAJOBS did not receive confirmation from the agency system that either your resume was received or your application was complete. This may indicate that you did not complete the application process, did not properly log out, or the agency's system did not return your status to USAJOBS.
so apparently USAjobs sent my resume. But I have no idea what the rest of that means. I'm sure that I completed the application process and that I logged out. Did anyone else have Application Status Not Available?
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Post by elmerfuddgantry on Nov 11, 2009 21:02:38 GMT -5
I submitted a huge, 8-page, ultra-detailed monster of a resume tracking all the AR language and it was only 50 KB.
I looked at the USA Jobs Resume Builder and decided it was too much trouble to cut-and-paste, so I saved my resume as a PDF file in Word and uploaded the PDF from Application Manager.
How did you create a resume that is 2 MB in size? "Wuthering Heights" is only 650 KB at Project Gutenberg.
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Post by nonamouse on Nov 11, 2009 21:03:07 GMT -5
Back when I applied I remember that some people could not view application status because of the way that they set up their accounts and accessed them between USAJOBS and application manager. What I know for sure is that the status changes and who could see them (and why some never saw them) was discussed at great length in 2007. For those sweating it out now, I suggest looking for posts from May 2007 through October 2007 and you will see the entire progression of status changes, timelines for notificatons for getting invited to do the SI/WD and right through to NOR which gave us our scores on the register. Congrats to all who made the deadline. Don't let the inevitable drama suck you in as you wait. Good luck!
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Post by barkley on Nov 11, 2009 22:00:40 GMT -5
Is it better to submit a neat, concise, 2 or 3 page standard resume, OR, Is it better to submit a large 6 to 10 page detailed resume describing your duties and achievements? I know it is too late, but if it makes you feel better, on one level, I don't think it matters what kind of resume you submitted. I don't think OPM scores the resume. Your score will be based on the ARs (and eventually the WD and SI). You resume won't really matter until your name is forwarded to an agency for consideration for a position and by that point so many other factors are coming into play.
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Post by privateatty on Nov 11, 2009 22:10:48 GMT -5
Is it better to submit a neat, concise, 2 or 3 page standard resume, OR, Is it better to submit a large 6 to 10 page detailed resume describing your duties and achievements? I know it is too late, but if it makes you feel better, on one level, I don't think it matters what kind of resume you submitted. I don't think OPM scores the resume. Your score will be based on the ARs (and eventually the WD and SI). You resume won't really matter until your name is forwarded to an agency for consideration for a position and by that point so many other factors are coming into play. This is true, the resume is not scored, as it is merely a component to your completed application.
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Post by costco on Nov 12, 2009 2:19:57 GMT -5
EFG, I didn't say that I created a resume that is 2 MB in size. I noted that the resume could be up to 2 MB in size (per the instructions). My resume was about 7 pages. Under "Please note the following:" it states: File size must not exceed two (2) megabytes.
Barkley and Privateatty, I believed the resume was "scored" because I believe that other jobs on USA Jobs score the resume or at least require some connection between the two documents (resume and KSAs). Under "Basis for Rating" it states: OPM will review the completed online Assessment Questionnaire and resume you submit to determine if you meet the experience and licensure requirements as described in this announcement. That's why I thought a large resume would be advantageous. Although the "E & L requirements" are different from scoring the resume.
Are you sure that the resume is not scored?
Pixie, do you know?
Thanks.
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Post by barkley on Nov 12, 2009 10:02:11 GMT -5
They look at your resume to be sure you have 7 years of qualifying experience, but not to determine whether you make it past the first cut to proceed to the SI and WD.
My basis for this is the first time they took applications, I spent 8 hours doing a detailed resume with excrutiating detail and attention to buzzwords and about 1 hour on the KSAs, thinking the two were scored together. I did not make the initial cut off. In the response to my appeal, OPM made it clear they had correctly scored my KSAs. The second time around, with the same resume and beefed up KSAs, I did well.
PF, with all his more precise information on scoring, should be able to give a better explanation.
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