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Post by getready on Aug 6, 2011 14:53:49 GMT -5
In another thread, Bartleby recently wrote:
"Latest word is that another cert of about 26 will be picked up real soon.. Like any day."
Anyone else have any information about a rumored new cert?
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Post by bartleby on Aug 6, 2011 18:35:23 GMT -5
I hope I didn't mislead anyone. I don't think there will be a new cert, I think they are planning on picking up another 26 off of the present cert due to time restraints. It is my understanding that they are increasing the next class (reporting in around the middle of August, reporting to training around the beginning of September). How they will do this is pure guess, but I think they will be insiders as they don't need as long to report. This is mostly conjecture, but I have heard and read different parts of this around Falls Church. I think this is because more ALJ's have retired, left, or not accepted positions at the last minute. May also be because they may be changing the hiring process and are concerned when they will be able to hire again. If one is an insider and going on vacation, it might behoove them to have a friend check their work phone for messages. JMHO..
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Post by twinkie on Aug 6, 2011 23:35:33 GMT -5
how would this scenario work if a person was on the june cert, did not get selected and just received an email letter from bob "sorry you were not selected but your name remains on Opm's registry"? does that letter mean an individual is precluded from this next round of hires if true?
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 7, 2011 10:18:23 GMT -5
how would this scenario work if a person was on the june cert, did not get selected and just received an email letter from bob "sorry you were not selected but your name remains on Opm's registry"? does that letter mean an individual is precluded from this next round of hires if true? I'm only guessing here, but if they suspected this scenario might happen, they might have sent those "sorry" emails ONLY to outsiders. What bartleby says makes sense, the only people they could cram into that 8/15 start date (or the last Sept training) would be insiders. So, any insiders here get the "sorry" email?
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Post by tigerfan on Aug 7, 2011 13:34:30 GMT -5
They may be able to hire off of the same cert but they cannot and will not hire just "insiders". They may be forced to have another class or skip the two weeks at the Hearing Office.
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Post by coralshell on Aug 7, 2011 13:41:09 GMT -5
That would be sort of surprising because they already hired about 1/3 of that June cert and another 26 would clean up 2/3 of the cert which would seem odd. Also, are there that many insiders remaining on that cert to even do this?
I was thinking that they may very well do another hiring off the current register with a new cert occurring in late August or September but the start dates would occur after the next fiscal year starts on October 1st with training that ends by mid November. I think two years ago they had an ALJ tng class in the October/November time frame.
But if they want to get people into the current September class, they should be able to get that cert next week with the new avail locations (that might be different from the June cert). I do not think that the people on the new cert would be much different from the two earlier certs this year and if the people who are on the new cert only need to return their GALs for where they would be willing to go to, they could quickly make the new selections. I guess we will see.
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Post by bartleby on Aug 7, 2011 16:02:38 GMT -5
Tigerfan, what is your basis for the statement, "but they cannot and will not hire just "insiders"." The first class this summer was all "insiders".
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Post by southeastalj on Aug 7, 2011 17:38:57 GMT -5
Tigerfan, what is your basis for the statement, "but they cannot and will not hire just "insiders"." The first class this summer was all "insiders". I think Tigerfan's point was that if the agency were to extend offers to only "insiders" they would be openly discriminating against non-agency people on the record for what would be essentially a new hire. While its true the first training class was composed with all agency people it was part of a large selection of hires in which the majority of people hired overall were not agency. The agency has never had a hiring round in which even a bare majority of hires were "insiders". While I claim no knowledge of any rumors of new hiring, I do know that the last training class is already going to barely fit in the training center. There simply aren't seats for 26 other people, I doubt there would be seats for 6 more. Of course, that doesn't mean the agency won't hire them anyway and figure out the rest before everyone shows up for training Also, it is true that in the past new hires went directly to training because they were hired too late to get to there assigned offices first.
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Post by maxlaw on Aug 7, 2011 17:48:11 GMT -5
Tigerfan, what is your basis for the statement, "but they cannot and will not hire just "insiders"." The first class this summer was all "insiders". Well, TF can answer for himself, but I agree with his conclusion. Don't forget, a certificate and a class are two different animals. Members from all three classes were picked from the May/July certs, ODAR just choose to schedule classes in a way that was most convenient for the selectees - insiders earlier, outsiders w/ more time to arrange affairs. If you were to get a list from OPM, then preselect the group from which you will make offers based on such a clear non-merit principle as whether they already worked for the agency, I think that would exceed the discretion the agency has. Just my two cents. N.B. - Well, I see this post was mooted by SoutheastALJ's, who answered faster and better. Still, you get the idea
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Post by twinkie on Aug 7, 2011 18:51:07 GMT -5
do you think it would make sense they send "rejection" letters before they create new cert if that is what they were going to do? wouldn't they also have to honor transfer requests too?
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Post by doodlemom on Aug 7, 2011 23:16:23 GMT -5
I'm an insider and I got the reject letter.
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Post by tigerfan on Aug 8, 2011 8:26:00 GMT -5
Bartleby, you question has been answered by southeastalj and maxlaw. I strongly suspect that there will be a new cert and that a new class will take place in October but the new hires will be committed before September 30. And then again maybe they just won't get it done at all but I am convinced that they are working on it, feverishly.
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Post by doodlemom on Aug 8, 2011 9:10:10 GMT -5
Bartleby, you question has been answered by southeastalj and maxlaw. I strongly suspect that there will be a new cert and that a new class will take place in October but the new hires will be committed before September 30. And then again maybe they just won't get it done at all but I am convinced that they are working on it, feverishly. Tigerfan, Do you think one could possibly be eligible for the upcoming hire, even if he/she just got the rejection email?
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Post by maxlaw on Aug 8, 2011 10:20:08 GMT -5
Tigerfan, Do you think one could possibly be eligible for the upcoming hire, even if he/she just got the rejection email? If I can butt in here, last year those hired in the supplemental cert did receive the rejection email, and didn't receive a new GAL notice. You can see the thread here. I don't know if something similar is contemplated this time or not.
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Post by Propmaster on Aug 8, 2011 12:12:56 GMT -5
I have heard that another certificate is planned for this calendar year because it is not clear when OPM's new register test will be completed and when the register will refresh and whether there will be hiring authority, etc. My information is 30-35 more hires this calendar year, although that is, of course, highly speculative and subject to change.
So, basically, I think Bartleby is on to something.
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Post by tigerfan on Aug 8, 2011 19:38:11 GMT -5
Doodlemom: Yes.
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Post by tricia on Aug 9, 2011 14:06:38 GMT -5
Bartleby said: "I hope I didn't mislead anyone. I don't think there will be a new cert, I think they are planning on picking up another 26 off of the present cert due to time restraints." There were a lot of people (like me) who were on what I guess we are calling the May cert, got the rejection letter, and then didn't make the June cert. I would like to be optimistic and think that we might be considered for these new 26 slots, but I think that Bartleby is right, they'll probably only use the June cert because the rejection letter rather definitely stated that we weren't chosen for a Soc Sec ALJ position, but that we were still on OPM's register.
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Post by 71stretch on Aug 9, 2011 14:09:24 GMT -5
I don't think they could go back to the May cert having asked for a subsequent one. But, what they do depends a lot on what slots they need to fill in terms of location.
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Post by aljwishful on Aug 9, 2011 14:28:13 GMT -5
Don't they need to ask for a new Cert?
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Post by maxlaw on Aug 9, 2011 14:33:01 GMT -5
71stretch: Therein lies the rub; because while I agree with you, I also don't think that they can sell a 26-35 hire cert as supplemental to another 30 person cert. With 30 people off of the June cert, the remaining pool just wouldn't support a hire as large as is being reported here. I'm predicting (with absolutely no information other than what I've read here) that if the next hire goes, it will be a true cert, with a new GAL run, new list of eligibles, etc. aljwishful: If it's a "true" cert they do, however, in the past ODAR has run a "supplemental" cert in which a few extra positions were filled; sometimes no one even knew they had been considered for the supplemental until they were called with an offer.
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