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Post by workdrone on Apr 23, 2012 12:28:15 GMT -5
As for the person who wondered about a Hawaii office, there is one office with one judge and lots of people on the transfer list, so do not expect to see an opening in your lifetime BTW, the current HOCALJ in Honolulu, Hawaii only went there about 2-3 years ago, as a transfer from West Los Angeles. In all likelihood, he will be there for about 15-20 more years, so I agree w/ Shadowyfigure that it's useless to expect an opening there in our professional lifetime... Yup. And I just want to make it clear that the one ALJ position in HI is a HOCALJ post. So it will always be a selection by the Region and Union transfer list will never be applicable. So don't plan on moving to HI unless you think you'll be selected as HOCALJ there someday. |
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Post by mcb on Apr 23, 2012 13:20:43 GMT -5
So don't plan on moving to HI unless you think you'll be selected as HOCALJ there someday. To work, at least. |
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Post by CarpeDiem on Apr 23, 2012 13:26:09 GMT -5
Just confirmed that one ALJ slot in Madison Wisconsin has been filled by an insider from a different ODAR. There is one more slot to fill. Since the offer was not made to me I would think that the moderator would add it to the poll?
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Post by agilitymom on Apr 23, 2012 13:32:31 GMT -5
I've heard that a slot at Morgantown was filled.
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Post by cyberdyne on Apr 23, 2012 14:01:05 GMT -5
Are there more call to come?
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Post by ellafima on Apr 23, 2012 14:08:21 GMT -5
Is it over already?
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Post by cyberdyne on Apr 23, 2012 14:20:17 GMT -5
I am not sure if it is over already. However, I would think not because to get through 80 or 100 calls, they would need at least two or three days, based on what happened last year. Nevertheless, the calls were done in only one day. Did anyone speak to Bob as to whether or not the calls are done?
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Post by cardinalsfan on Apr 23, 2012 15:01:40 GMT -5
I decided to call Bob. I just spoke to him and he was very nice. He said the offers went out last Thursday and that there were some declinations they still had to fill. He thought those offers would be made by Friday. So it sounds to me like everything is done and over with except for a few slots.
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Post by agilitymom on Apr 23, 2012 15:24:43 GMT -5
I decided to call Bob. I just spoke to him and he was very nice. He said the offers went out last Thursday and that there were some declinations they still had to fill. He thought those offers would be made by Friday. So it sounds to me like everything is done and over with except for a few slots. Thanks for taking the bullet cardinalsfan! I know a lot of us appreciate it.  |
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Post by ellafima on Apr 23, 2012 15:46:22 GMT -5
Thank you, Cardinalsfan. I guess the next event is another cert or a new register.
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Post by rfslaw57 on Apr 23, 2012 15:48:17 GMT -5
I will try to accept this with a dose of humility, but it is very difficult to do. As an ALJ for 11 years, I have tried hundreds of cases involving total medical disability - similar to SSA. Count me as quite disappointed.
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Post by nylawyer on Apr 23, 2012 16:36:48 GMT -5
So, do we know exactly how many were actually hired? Isn't there supposed to be another round in the fall and then early next year? I take it that when the new exam is together that this register will be dissolved and those who remain interested will have to re-apply, am I correct?
Congrats to those who made it, and good luck.
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Post by grassgreener on Apr 23, 2012 16:40:33 GMT -5
So, do we know exactly how many were actually hired? Isn't there supposed to be another round in the fall and then early next year? I take it that when the new exam is together that this register will be dissolved and those who remain interested will have to re-apply, am I correct?. 82 were hired - another round later this year is rumored, |
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 23, 2012 16:49:38 GMT -5
So, do we know exactly how many were actually hired? Isn't there supposed to be another round in the fall and then early next year? I take it that when the new exam is together that this register will be dissolved and those who remain interested will have to re-apply, am I correct? Congrats to those who made it, and good luck. We could assume the 82 is accurate, although that's not reflected in the normal percentage of reports on this board. Perhaps we have a lower percentage participation this time with so many first timers on the cert. If someone from each training class (once you get there) could report how many in each class, that would be a good number to know. And, if you really feel like intelligence gathering, finding out where everyone is from office-wise would be nice, too. I am guessing there will only be one more round with this register, either late this year or early next. Then, they will open applications for a new register, and we all reapply if we are still interested. Unless the process has changed a lot, it's going to take six months to get a new register put together. And yes, the old one goes away, as otherwise they are comparing apples and oranges with different application processes. rfslaw-- I can relate to your reaction-- I know I have the background and skills to be good at this job, too, and just want the chance to prove it. The process IS frustrating. |
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 23, 2012 16:54:49 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the appointees. I didn't look at the board last week, since I am not in the running and I did not realize the calls would be coming so early. I did not intend to ignore making a centralized offer page, as I often do. It seems a bit anti-climactic, now.
So, again, congrats to all the offerees! 82 seems like a much lower number than I expected. I wonder if it is budget, or transfer issues, or something else. 35% of 82 is 28.7, so I believe our historic representation is pretty much intact here.
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Post by ivme on Apr 23, 2012 16:55:12 GMT -5
Before I became an ALJ, I had a very limited GAL and was on several certs where they did not fill any offices on my cert. If they would send an email to these people and tell them, sorry you are no longer under consideration because the office(s) are not being filled, it would be less cruel than the current practice. My office is on the cert and there are no empty ALJ offices. They only hire when there is an empty office. In addition, there is someone on the transfer list for my office. I know of many offices on the cert with no open ALJ offices. I don't understand why they put them on the cert and put applicants through all of the trouble and stress when there is no possibility of an offer. While I can understand why it feels unfair to applicants to have many cities on the cert that don't actually have openings, as you can tell this is an extremely time consuming process for the agency where they realistically can only make hiring offers 1-2 times per year. With such a statutorily required cumbersome process, they have to include as many offices as possible to ensure when they do get to "pull the trigger" they can fill every possible vacancy. if they left off certain locations and then an office suddenly opened up that they could not fill, it would be potentially 6-12 more months before they could. Honestly, I'm surprised the agency just doesn't issue a cert with every single office on it every time. As a courtesy, a there were no openings after all e-mail would be more humane than absolute silence around offers time. This way, you know that your non-selection was really just a due to an absence of positions, or at least give you more hope (or not) for the position in your preferred city in the future. [excuse all typos-posting via cell phone] |
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Post by ivme on Apr 23, 2012 17:02:35 GMT -5
Before I became an ALJ, I had a very limited GAL and was on several certs where they did not fill any offices on my cert. If they would send an email to these people and tell them, sorry you are no longer under consideration because the office(s) are not being filled, it would be less cruel than the current practice. My office is on the cert and there are no empty ALJ offices. They only hire when there is an empty office. In addition, there is someone on the transfer list for my office. I know of many offices on the cert with no open ALJ offices. I don't understand why they put them on the cert and put applicants through all of the trouble and stress when there is no possibility of an offer. One city in Region 9 had two openings when the current cert came out, but both openings were filled by transfers at the end of February. Thus, no hiring because no empty ALJ offices. Two ALJ's want to transfer out, but until they are physically gone, the agency does not consider it an opening. Congratulations to all who received offers!! First of all, Congratulations to all those who received an offer!! I wish I were you but in my GAL cities. Does this mean that there were truly no openings besides the one in San Bernardino for Region 9? I am not sure how difficult it would have been to send an e-mail notice re: the absence of available positions in Region 9 cities to those with said cities in their GAL. Would have been nice to know this information...2 months ago.  |
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 23, 2012 17:07:59 GMT -5
It would have been fairly time consuming to sort out which cities were not actually being filled, and notify everyone with those cities in their GALs, for this large cert. Those of us who've been through this process many times are used to how it's done, although we still find it frustrating.
propmaster, as I should have already known, has better math awareness than I do these days. Our report number seemed low, but he's right, it's not, based on past certs.
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Post by ivme on Apr 23, 2012 17:25:50 GMT -5
Observer53, or others who might be similarly aware of this process, If those two Region 9 ALJ's seeking tranfers, get their transfer granted, when/how do those open Region 9 transfers get filled?
Thanks. :-)
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Post by 71stretch on Apr 23, 2012 17:56:31 GMT -5
IF the transfers are approved, and if the resulting openings get filled, it can be with a subsequent cert, or another transfer. In some cases, transfers are being worked NOW, instead of before the new hires were selected.
Transfers also can occur at times other than when a cert is in process.
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