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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 0:44:11 GMT -5
I have a lot of experience, including having been a judge for a federal agency for close to tweny years until I retired two years ago. I want to unretire and therefore applied for an ALJ position and have been invited to phase three August 15 and 16. I am looking forward to participating but am wondering whether, at 65 years old, my age will practically knock me out from being finally selected by an agency even if I make it to the Register. Would appreciate input. Is that supposed to be Tevia or Pseudolus? Zero Mostel, though I don't recall what part he was playing, maybe "The Producers".
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Post by bartleby on Jul 24, 2013 7:15:30 GMT -5
Looks like rehearsal for Fiddler on the Roof..
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Post by usnjudge on Jul 24, 2013 16:26:59 GMT -5
Diogenes: Not all federal pensions are created equal. Retired military do not have a salary set off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:29:53 GMT -5
Thanks. I was referring to civilian as that is the type I have.
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Post by decadealj on Jul 24, 2013 16:45:28 GMT -5
usnjudge- you are correct but for many years (maybe 2004) military retirees did forfeit almost their full military retirement. Combined military ret pay and ALJ pay was capped at level IV of executive scale so once an ALJ IIIF you were maxed out. Enjoy your current benefits- what Congress gives, it can take back!
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Post by mom, esq on Jul 25, 2013 21:36:24 GMT -5
How young is too young? I have wondered if my not so mature age could work to my disadvantage just as you've wondered about your mature age. I'd be interested to hear what is the youngest you've heard of someone becoming an ALJ.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 21:58:02 GMT -5
How young is too young? I have wondered if my not so mature age could work to my disadvantage just as you've wondered about your mature age. I'd be interested to hear what is the youngest you've heard of someone becoming an ALJ. If age doesn't matter up, it shouldn't matter down. I think the only drawback if a candidate is very young would be experience, not age per se. As far as the youngest I have known, probably late thirty's. If you have the experience and the maturity, although clearly maturity doesn't always seem to come into it, there is no reason for young age to keep anybody back.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jul 25, 2013 22:07:26 GMT -5
How young is too young? I have wondered if my not so mature age could work to my disadvantage just as you've wondered about your mature age. I'd be interested to hear what is the youngest you've heard of someone becoming an ALJ. This is an excellent question! I have seen a few postings about ALJ candidates who seem a bit "immature" given their demeanor and tone. Is it age? Who knows. I think the more life experience you have the much better you will be at determining credibility and other factors. Of course, there are always exceptions but I would have a hard time believing that someone who went straight from HS to college to law school with the minimum of 7 years experience (no matter how awesome the law experience) would have the basic life experience necessary. There are simply some things that cannot be taught in a classroom and the value of life experience cannot be underestimated. No disrespect intended.
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Post by prescient on Jul 25, 2013 22:41:14 GMT -5
It cannot be emphasized enough that if you are not proficient in the use of a computer, this job is not for you.
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Post by bartleby on Jul 26, 2013 7:03:57 GMT -5
We had a 37-38 year old in our class. We also had ones in excess of 70. The young one had such a baby face I am sure some claimant's have felt cheated. The Bartleby has been told he looks like Donald Sutherland so I am sure I carry the judicial air with much authority. Of course my favorite movie was MASH, however, at one time I flew helicopters like they used on MASH, OH-13's or as civilians call them Bell 47's. But I truly digress..
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Post by mcb on Jul 26, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5
One 33 and one 34 in my Fall 2010 class. As I noted earler, five or six in their 60s, the oldest being 68. Most folks were in their Mid/late 40s to 50s (70+ people in the class).
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Post by deltajudge on Jul 26, 2013 13:42:57 GMT -5
8-)Depends on what you have done in that age frame. Have you dealt with all levels of the proletariat and professionals, or have you trod the boards as a practicing lawyer, again dealing with all sorts of society or have sat on your buns in an office shuffling papers and talking on the phone?
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Post by mom, esq on Jul 26, 2013 16:28:45 GMT -5
One 33 and one 34 in my Fall 2010 class. As I noted earler, five or six in their 60s, the oldest being 68. Most folks were in their Mid/late 40s to 50s (70+ people in the class). mcb, that makes me feel better! Thank you.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 26, 2013 17:05:02 GMT -5
How about a thread called, "How young is too young?" Age isn't that important, but the ability to understand and be competent based upon life experiences is much more important.
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Post by privateatty on Jul 26, 2013 18:52:54 GMT -5
8-)Depends on what you have done in that age frame. Have you dealt with all levels of the proletariat and professionals, or have you trod the boards as a practicing lawyer, again dealing with all sorts of society or have sat on your buns in an office shuffling papers and talking on the phone? I agree with the above but would add that sometimes folks tend to try too hard and err on the side of false confidence. I have been priviledged enough to work with alot of young lawyers and character and the willingness to admit that you don't know something is what I would look for. When I was practising I would worry about asking questions--now, not so much.
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Post by mcb on Jul 26, 2013 21:07:10 GMT -5
One 33 and one 34 in my Fall 2010 class. As I noted earler, five or six in their 60s, the oldest being 68. Most folks were in their Mid/late 40s to 50s (70+ people in the class). mcb, that makes me feel better! Thank you. but, of course.
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Post by chinook on Aug 1, 2013 11:00:52 GMT -5
He never said he was an ALJ, you just assumed that without the facts. There are many federal agencies that have judges without them being ALJs There are Immigration Judges, Veteran's judges and Administrative Judges at numerous agencies, EEOC and NRC to name just two. In addition there are Appeals Judges that hear appeals of ALJ decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 11:25:18 GMT -5
Correct, I was a judge with another agency under its own hiring authority.
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Post by workdrone on Aug 1, 2013 11:48:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification -- I was not aware that the title "judge" was used in connection with federal agencies anywhere except in the ALJ position. I thought everyone trying or reviewing cases who was not an ALJ was either a hearing examiner or an appeal board member or commissioner. Yup. Immigration Judges, Veteran's Board of Appeals Judges, Administrative Appeal Judges in various agencies, and EEOC Judges are all administrative judges belonging to federal agencies that are not ALJs and not covered under the APA. From what I have heard, EEOC Administrative Judges are the worse off of the bunch as they start off as GS-13s and cap out at GS-14. See aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/1668On top of that, it appears it's not a very happy place besides the lower pay. For example: Ex-EEOC Judge sues EEOCA bit more details: From what I have read, being a SSA ALJ is like paradise compared to an EEOC AJ. Maybe that's why I have met quite a few ALJs who are ex-EEOC AJs during my time with the Agency.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Aug 1, 2013 17:55:17 GMT -5
EEK! Not to diminish the validity or belief of the people on this video, but there are always more sides to the story. Just sayin.....But there have been some egregious things happen for sure. So hard to say. I am an eternal optimist and would like to think this is a rare situation.
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