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Post by hopefalj on Dec 30, 2013 12:51:31 GMT -5
wow, 5 points per question on the SI? I don't think I ever saw that fact before, and I've done a lot of research/reading of old threads. You know, with the addition of the SJT, we don't have any good idea on the relative weighing of each component nor what a max score is for each section. I'm tending to think that the experience assessment means less now than on previous tests and the LBMT was simply a 'beta' test and we were just guinea pigs, so there's no score for that ridiculous exercise. Just MHO, and reading the OPM announcement very closely, the LBMT is not added to final score. sealaw90 I think redryder was referring to the previous testing, not the present one. I don't think there is a correlation with the SI questions counting 5 points per questions this time, especially since the number of questions was different this time. I would guess they are still 5 points per question based on the recommendations provided by OPM on how to score SIs. I doubt the points directly correlate to 5 points in the final numerical score, but I'm pretty sure every answer gets a 1-5 score. Also, I wouldn't bet on the LBMT not being counted towards the final score. There were essentially four new parts to this process, and I would bet all of them count.
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 30, 2013 13:13:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't have the announcement in front of me, but I trust your recitation. Yes, yes, the LBMT has to be scored. They spent a lot of time making up that test, they need to know if it was worth it, and OPM must determine if it should be included in future tests. I guess that the score will be thrown into the large blender that mystriously mashes our scores together, but it is only the WD & SI that really count for anything at Phase 3.
There is no minimum score for the LBMT - I consider that a great thing, and reduces it's importance to my overall score to practically nothing. If I remember, phase 1 had a certain minimum score, phase 2 had a certain minimum score and those minimum scores allow us to move onto the next phase, and the score was based on all the components for that phase. Not so for phase 3. While it was incorrect of me to say that the LBMT doesn't count at all, I still think it doesn't really count for much in the grand scheme of the final score.
It may be wishful thinking on my part. Without actual knowledge of points awarded (such as the "5 points for each SI question") at each phase, I was looking at past data on this board, and I did a lot of obsessing and extrapolating/guessing on the relative weight each test has (based upon the number of competencies each test measured), so I put it out there as my opinion that the LBMT doesn't really count. Because there are so many ALJ competencies tied to them, 'crushing' the SI and the WD will get you past phase 3, and I suspect get you near the top of the list.
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 30, 2013 13:44:36 GMT -5
sealaw90 I think redryder was referring to the previous testing, not the present one. I don't think there is a correlation with the SI questions counting 5 points per questions this time, especially since the number of questions was different this time. mpd, I know for sure redryder was referring to the previous test, but I don't remember seeing that in an older thread! I didn't want to touch the comment on the total number of SI questions, as I might get in trouble revealing such information. However, it would be interesting if the SI still accounted for over 1/3 of our final score, don't you think? seakaw90, I agree that there was no previous posts about the value of each SI question regarding previous testing as you surmised. However, redryder was referring to asking an OPM proctor at a chance meeting after her SI regarding the value of each question. I think hopefalj is correct that the scoring could be from 1 to 5, where 1 is the applicant knew little to a 5 which the applicant hit it out of the park. However, most scoring usually falls is in the 2 to 4 score range. I have been involved and done SIs in the past with my present employer as a panelist.
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Post by redryder on Dec 30, 2013 13:46:43 GMT -5
To those overwrought persons who are waiting for their scores: I did not say that each question in the SI counts as 5 points in your final NOR. I did not know when I got my score in 2009 or now how the SI test score factored into my final NOR. I said the panel who rated your SI answers gave a score of 0 to 5 for each hypothetical question they asked, for a maximum panel score of 35.
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 30, 2013 13:52:32 GMT -5
To those overwrought persons who are waiting for their scores: I did not say that each question in the SI counts as 5 points in your final NOR. I did not know when I got my score in 2009 or now how the SI test score factored into my final NOR. I said the panel who rated your SI answers gave a score of 0 to 5 for each hypothetical question they asked, for a maximum panel score of 35. Don't you feel like you pushed on the string and the dam broke.... I'm just bored waiting for the scores to come out!! I'll go back to work now, thanks for the diversion redryder!
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Post by hopefalj on Dec 30, 2013 14:02:32 GMT -5
I agree that it's not as significant as the WD or SI given that there was no minimum score. Not sure I agree that it isn't significant, though. Even if it were only.worth 5 total points of the final numerical rating, killing the LBMT versus having it kill you could make a significant difference in your overall chances. I'm not sure that it would only be 5 points, though.
Here are my WAGs and rambling, incoherent thoughts on scoring. There are three scoring components based upon the announcement: Phase II (SJT, writing sample, and Experience Assessment), WD/LBMT, and SI. Phase I wasn't scored. Not including the EA due to it's not being timed, per the announcement, there were 530 minutes of testing in Phases II and III. 120 of those minutes were the LBMT. It would be odd to me that the second-longest test would be minimized to no more than 5 points of your overall score. Granted, it's almost certainly not more important than the SI despite having about twice as much time alotted in the job announcement.
My WAG on scoring would be 30 possible points on Phase II; 30 possible points on the SI; and 40 possible points on the WD/SI with that being broken down to 30/10 respectively. Again, nothing more than a WAG to kill time as we wait.
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Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 30, 2013 14:19:17 GMT -5
While no one except OPM knows how the final score is derived, there is no evidence there is a curve. You get a score on each part of the test except that logic test and they are compiled. Then if you have veteran's points, those are added to the score. I know under the old testing, the highest score the panel could give on the structured interview was 35 (7 questions x 5 points per question). But have no idea how this translated into the final score by OPM then or if the same scoring system is still used. How do I know this? I asked the OPM member of my panel when I bumped into her in the lobby after my interview. From what I have been reading and hearing, as each of you went through the testing process, you had to make a minimum score to proceed to the next step. If this is true, some folks will be cut at step 3 due to low scores in the written demonstration/SI. The remainder should get notices with scores. Having a high score (80+) and a wide-open GAL does give one more opportunities for interviews with SSA and other agencies. Remember if another agency is hiring off of the register, it may be looking to fill only 1 or 2 slots. A cert for that may have only 10 names on it. My highly placed Sith operatives concur. In addition, a 0 is hardly ever given. That said, if I were looking for new Sith Lord's I would require at least a 21. You do the math then extrapolate.
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Post by robespierre on Jan 1, 2014 16:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by privateatty on Jan 1, 2014 19:12:24 GMT -5
This is a great thread, if no other reason than to see folks who were stunned by their score--both from it being too low (in their opinion) to too high. Sure brought back memories---like when I used have digestive issues on a daily basis... Sit tight and good luck!
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Post by ssaogc on Jan 1, 2014 19:48:12 GMT -5
Wow. After reading that thread I'm not sure I want my score now. I'm not easily depressed, but lots of disappointed people. And they had a brighter hiring picture back then as well. And they didn't take the LBMT. Oh well. Devildog, on point assessment. Hiring picture is maybe 200-300 and there a lots of us in the hunt for the job. Even getting a decent score with a GAL that does not have the right offices may lead to a broken heart.
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