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Post by valkyrie on Apr 3, 2014 17:11:59 GMT -5
Laugh, laugh, snicker, snicker! Oh boy is this thread taking me down memory lane! There is a great big gap between the Candidate Scoring Coronations and the Heart-Breaking Week of Offers. Last time around we had the same fights and arguments about the candidate scores. The high-scoring people were just sure that the OPM scoring methodology, while painful to some, was a fair and balanced system that probably got things just about right. The low scoring people were just sure that OPM was staffed with nothing but drunks, chimps, and trade-school drop-outs. Then the offers started coming and there were spurned people with high scores just sure that SSA was staffed with nothing but drunks, chimps, and trade-school drop-outs, and new ALJs with low scores who felt that Justice had been done! There were many of us on the Inside that had the advantage of not just knowing a large number of other candidates, but also knowing the details of each other's resumes, so that we could make a pretty good assessment of OPM's scoring. We found that the OPM scoring was horrifically arbitrary. Then the offers started, and we found, not surprisingly, that SSA knew who the most qualified candidates were, and that SSA would get them offers no matter how low their scores were. One thing that has not really changed over the years has been the selection rules, and the SSA people doing the selecting know how to work those rules without breaking them in a way that will be found out. So, argue all you want foolish mortals, what will be will be as SSA decides it will be. Val, you have no pf now and I can't even get to the 1 meter bar in this discussion. That being said and not to deter you from further posts as you always butter everyone's popcorn--or should I say serve up a bucket o' same, this time around what worked for you and didn't work for me (apparently) no longer applies. IOW, high scores may rule! No carrots for you my friend. This debate may well be front loaded. The scores set the boundaries of the playing field, and this field does not appear to be giving the Insiders Home Field advantage! ODAR is desperate for ALJs though, so they will take the Outsiders they can get, instead of the Insiders OPM slammed the door on...
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Post by privateatty on Apr 3, 2014 17:15:28 GMT -5
Val, you have no pf now and I can't even get to the 1 meter bar in this discussion. That being said and not to deter you from further posts as you always butter everyone's popcorn--or should I say serve up a bucket o' same, this time around what worked for you and didn't work for me (apparently) no longer applies. IOW, high scores may rule! No carrots for you my friend. This debate may well be front loaded. The scores set the boundaries of the playing field, and this field does not appear to be giving the Insiders Home Field advantage! ODAR is desperate for ALJs though, so they will take the Outsiders they can get, instead of the Insiders OPM slammed the door on... Couldn't agree more.
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Post by hopefalj on Apr 3, 2014 17:56:53 GMT -5
"As odd as it sounds, and I may be wrong, but they aren't interviewing for leaders."
I don't think there is any doubt about that.
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Post by chessparent on Apr 3, 2014 21:39:35 GMT -5
Laugh, laugh, snicker, snicker! Oh boy is this thread taking me down memory lane! There is a great big gap between... I think all of you who ignore the collective wisdom of Valkyrie, Bart, ALJD and the other "veterans" of this Board do so at your own peril. Please keep ignoring them! More jobs for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 21:45:53 GMT -5
This job ain't washing dishes (though it can feel that way) and about the only thing its further away from than leading a company of soldiers is litigating. What they don't want is somebody with such high self value that its likely they get the "black robe disease." (It's black robe fever for those of us that are in litigation.) The look what I've done, look who I am types that can easily forget that the only way they succeed is being a team player and prefer to take the high and mighty approach. As odd as it sounds, and I may be wrong, but they aren't interviewing for leaders. They are interviewing for widget pushers that can productively do the job without taking offense when an sct calls them by their first name at the coffee pot instead of "your honor." JMHO JMHO
Funky, if you can't follow the logic from dishwashing... to soldier... to ALJ, that's your problem, not mine. Maybe you should of served your country.
Yes some of what you say is correct. Except those of us that have served as a buck private in basic training have no problem with following orders and making the mission successful (team player) and with leading others as needed. I have sat as a Judge over a hundred times as a criminal court judge. In Criminal Court, I can throw you in jail for NO reason what so ever, ( I never did, but always had the power) so save your "black robe disease" comments as those of you that have never had that power are most likely to abuse that power once you gain the "ALJ" status. I had more power as a First Sergeant and Command Sergeant Major than I have ever had as a lawyer.
You "insiders" seem to think that you are the best for the job ("high self value" in Funky terms), however, I disagree! I think an insider would the first one to have "black robe fever" as most of you guys seem to think you are SO much more qualify than the litigators from the outside.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 3, 2014 21:59:33 GMT -5
This job ain't washing dishes (though it can feel that way) and about the only thing its further away from than leading a company of soldiers is litigating. What they don't want is somebody with such high self value that its likely they get the "black robe disease." (It's black robe fever for those of us that are in litigation.) The look what I've done, look who I am types that can easily forget that the only way they succeed is being a team player and prefer to take the high and mighty approach. As odd as it sounds, and I may be wrong, but they aren't interviewing for leaders. They are interviewing for widget pushers that can productively do the job without taking offense when an sct calls them by their first name at the coffee pot instead of "your honor." JMHO Funky, if you can't follow the logic from dishwashing... to soldier... to ALJ, that's your problem, not mine. Maybe you should of served your country. Yes some of what you say is correct. Except those of us that have served as a buck private in basic training have no problem with following orders and making the mission successful (team player) and with leading others as needed. I have sat as a Judge over a hundred times as a criminal court judge. In Criminal Court, I can throw you in jail for NO reason what so ever, ( I never did, but always had the power) so save your "black robe disease" comments as those of you that have never had that power are most likely to abuse that power once you gain the "ALJ" status. I had more power as a First Sergeant and Command Sergeant Major than I have ever had as a lawyer. You "insiders" seem to think that you are the best for the job ("high self value" in Funky terms), however, I disagree! I think an insider would the first one to have "black robe fever" as most of you guys seem to think you are SO much more qualify than the litigators from the outside. I've pretty much stayed out of this ridiculous insider outsider debate but have to comment here. I am an insider. I also have outside experience. I also have an excellent medical background as an RN that is a perfect mix for the SSA job whether it be a my current SA position or my desired ALJ position. Do I think I am superior? Yes and no. I have no doubt others could do better. Do I think I have an advantage? Yes. I train newbies and serve as a mentor not only to new writers but routinely help new ALJs. So yeah that kinda gives me a good leg up. Could an outsider be in my shoes within a reasonable period of time? sure! But please... Don't categorically dismiss me because I am an "insider" and I will not dismiss you because you are not. black robe fever? Dude, I don't want the job to feel "power" and the minute you think that a robe gives you that power, that's the minute you lost your purpose. This is a public service position. Period.
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Post by chessparent on Apr 3, 2014 22:16:27 GMT -5
I am the best one for the job. Just ask my mother.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 22:26:30 GMT -5
I've pretty much stayed out of this ridiculous insider outsider debate but have to comment here. I am an insider. I also have outside experience. I also have an excellent medical background as an RN that is a perfect mix for the SSA job whether it be a my current SA position or my desired ALJ position. Do I think I am superior? Yes and no. I have no doubt others could do better. Do I think I have an advantage? Yes. I train newbies and serve as a mentor not only to new writers but routinely help new ALJs. So yeah that kinda gives me a good leg up. Could an outsider be in my shoes within a reasonable period of time? sure! But please... Don't categorically dismiss me because I am an "insider" and I will not dismiss you because you are not. black robe fever? Dude, I don't want the job to feel "power" and the minute you think that a robe gives you that power, that's the minute you lost your purpose. This is a public service position. Period. [/quote][/p]
Sorry, I am not categorically dismissing anyone and the point about "black robe fever" is that those that have never had the power are most likely to get the "fever".
But coming from a high school drop out perspective, I get sick and tire of hearing from everybody else as to why they are SO much better than I for the job cause of this and that.
I am just a dumb idiot high school drop out from a small town in the middle of nowhere and I managed to score higher than 70 percent of you "brilliant" folks and that was before my 10 point bump. So maybe, Funky is the guru for ODAR and likewise maybe you are too, but we will see..... maybe this dumb arse high school drop will get selected over the "highly superior" insiders.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 3, 2014 22:29:54 GMT -5
This job ain't washing dishes (though it can feel that way) and about the only thing its further away from than leading a company of soldiers is litigating. What they don't want is somebody with such high self value that itos likely they get the "black robe disease." (It's black robe fever for those of us that are in litigation.) The look what I've done, look who I am types that can easily forget that the only way they succeed is being a team player and prefer to take the high and mighty approach. As odd as it sounds, and I may be wrong, but they aren't interviewing for leaders. They are interviewing for widget pushers that can productively do the job without taking offense when an sct calls them by their first name at the coffee pot instead of "your honor." JMHO JMHO
Funky, if you can't follow the logic from dishwashing... to soldier... to ALJ, that's your problem, not mine. Maybe you should of served your country.
Yes some of what you say is correct. Except those of us that have served as a buck private in basic training have no problem with following orders and making the mission successful (team player) and with leading others as needed. I have sat as a Judge over a hundred times as a criminal court judge. In Criminal Court, I can throw you in jail for NO reason what so ever, ( I never did, but always had the power) so save your "black robe disease" comments as those of you that have never had that power are most likely to abuse that power once you gain the "ALJ" status. I had more power as a First Sergeant and Command Sergeant Major than I have ever had as a lawyer.
You "insiders" seem to think that you are the best for the job ("high self value" in Funky terms), however, I disagree! I think an insider would the first one to have "black robe fever" as most of you guys seem to think you are SO much more qualify than the litigators from the outside. Trust me tiger, I'd never play logic games with you. no way in hell I could compete with someone that thinks reciting their resume in every post is the "logical response." And as for serving, I appreciate your service. I really do. I mentioned before I come from a family of veterans and I'd never begrudge a vet getting a leg up. But because I grew up around tons of soldiers I also feel pretty experienced to say sometimes, hero or not, some of em can be an ass. Here's what I'd love for you to do...march your arrogant ass into that interview and tell all those government insiders how awesome you are. Tell them how you've been the best damn dishwasher, E8 and litigator out there. Tell em how you have it all figured out and how you loved that power when you had a robe before. By the way, I don't feel the need to tout my resume in every post but if you think you are the only one who has worn a robe in criminal matters, you need some better intel buddy. Please go in there and tell em all that. Let them see the self aggrandizing, pompous, nol body's done more with less tigerlaw that dominates your posts. You tell them all that and its a damn good likelihood we will never have the misfortune of sharing a table at training or in an odar breakroom. And thousands of claimaNts won't have to face a judge that measures everyone's hardships against his own perceived greatness against self created odds.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 3, 2014 22:35:33 GMT -5
I've pretty much stayed out of this ridiculous insider outsider debate but have to comment here. I am an insider. I also have outside experience. I also have an excellent medical background as an RN that is a perfect mix for the SSA job whether it be a my current SA position or my desired ALJ position. Do I think I am superior? Yes and no. I have no doubt others could do better. Do I think I have an advantage? Yes. I train newbies and serve as a mentor not only to new writers but routinely help new ALJs. So yeah that kinda gives me a good leg up. Could an outsider be in my shoes within a reasonable period of time? sure! But please... Don't categorically dismiss me because I am an "insider" and I will not dismiss you because you are not. black robe fever? Dude, I don't want the job to feel "power" and the minute you think that a robe gives you that power, that's the minute you lost your purpose. This is a public service position. Period. [/p]
Sorry, I am not categorically dismissing anyone and the point about "black robe fever" is that those that have never had the power are most likely to get the "fever".
But coming from a high school drop out perspective, I get sick and tire of hearing from everybody else as to why they are SO much better than I for the job cause of this and that.
I am just a dumb idiot high school drop out from a small town in the middle of nowhere and I managed to score higher than 70 percent of you "brilliant" folks and that was before my 10 point bump. So maybe, Funky is the guru for ODAR and likewise maybe you are too, but we will see..... maybe this dumb arse high school drop will get selected over the "highly superior" insiders.
[/quote] Sorry but there are MANY of us who rose up from the pit to get where we are now. You would be surprised. So you can let that go. Once you become an attorney high school is pretty much moot counselor.
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Post by ok1956 on Apr 3, 2014 22:35:43 GMT -5
I am the best one for the job. Just ask my mother. Chessparent you made me laugh and made your mother proud!
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Post by chessparent on Apr 3, 2014 22:39:45 GMT -5
I am the best one for the job. Just ask my mother. Chessparent you made me laugh and made your mother proud! Awwww, thanks. Mom, how did you get on this Board??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 22:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 22:44:40 GMT -5
JMHO
Funky, if you can't follow the logic from dishwashing... to soldier... to ALJ, that's your problem, not mine. Maybe you should of served your country.
Yes some of what you say is correct. Except those of us that have served as a buck private in basic training have no problem with following orders and making the mission successful (team player) and with leading others as needed. I have sat as a Judge over a hundred times as a criminal court judge. In Criminal Court, I can throw you in jail for NO reason what so ever, ( I never did, but always had the power) so save your "black robe disease" comments as those of you that have never had that power are most likely to abuse that power once you gain the "ALJ" status. I had more power as a First Sergeant and Command Sergeant Major than I have ever had as a lawyer.
You "insiders" seem to think that you are the best for the job ("high self value" in Funky terms), however, I disagree! I think an insider would the first one to have "black robe fever" as most of you guys seem to think you are SO much more qualify than the litigators from the outside. Trust me tiger, I'd never play logic games with you. no way in hell I could compete with someone that thinks reciting their resume in every post is the "logical response." And as for serving, I appreciate your service. I really do. I mentioned before I come from a family of veterans and I'd never begrudge a vet getting a leg up. But because I grew up around tons of soldiers I also feel pretty experienced to say sometimes, hero or not, some of em can be an ass. Here's what I'd love for you to do...march your arrogant ass into that interview and tell all those government insiders how awesome you are. Tell them how you've been the best damn dishwasher, E8 and litigator out there. Tell em how you have it all figured out and how you loved that power when you had a robe before. By the way, I don't feel the need to tout my resume in every post but if you think you are the only one who has worn a robe in criminal matters, you need some better intel buddy. Please go in there and tell em all that. Let them see the self aggrandizing, pompous, nol body's done more with less tigerlaw that dominates your posts. You tell them all that and its a damn good likelihood we will never have the misfortune of sharing a table at training or in an odar breakroom. And thousands of claimaNts won't have to face a judge that measures everyone's hardships against his own perceived greatness against self created odds. That's just mean and it hurts. And you can twist what I say all you wish, but I'm tired of you "insiders" with your BS about "how great thou are". Apparently, those smarter than Funky don't think you insiders are what is needed to move SSA forward in the future.
But you are correct on one point. We will never have the misfortune of sharing a table at training as I will be there in FY14 with my NOR and wide open GAL.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Apr 3, 2014 22:53:04 GMT -5
Trust me tiger, I'd never play logic games with you. no way in hell I could compete with someone that thinks reciting their resume in every post is the "logical response." And as for serving, I appreciate your service. I really do. I mentioned before I come from a family of veterans and I'd never begrudge a vet getting a leg up. But because I grew up around tons of soldiers I also feel pretty experienced to say sometimes, hero or not, some of em can be an ass. Here's what I'd love for you to do...march your arrogant ass into that interview and tell all those government insiders how awesome you are. Tell them how you've been the best damn dishwasher, E8 and litigator out there. Tell em how you have it all figured out and how you loved that power when you had a robe before. By the way, I don't feel the need to tout my resume in every post but if you think you are the only one who has worn a robe in criminal matters, you need some better intel buddy. Please go in there and tell em all that. Let them see the self aggrandizing, pompous, nol body's done more with less tigerlaw that dominates your posts. You tell them all that and its a damn good likelihood we will never have the misfortune of sharing a table at training or in an odar breakroom. And thousands of claimaNts won't have to face a judge that measures everyone's hardships against his own perceived greatness against self created odds. That's just mean and it hurts. And you can twist what I say all you wish, but I'm tired of you "insiders" with your BS about "how great thou are". Apparently, those smarter than Funky don't think you insiders are what is needed to move SSA forward in the future.
But you are correct on one point. We will never have the misfortune of sharing a table at training as I will be there in FY14 with my NOR and wide open GAL. I'm guessing you sucked as a private attorney and never won a jury trial, but now you are the brilliant one here on this board.
Shameful response. Very sad indeed. This type of attitude is NOT beneficial in any job. It is seriously not something you should flaunt. Shame on you.
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Post by Pro se on Apr 3, 2014 23:00:34 GMT -5
Tigerlaw: You should be ashamed of yourself. Willfully twisting what Funky has said is bad enough, but your comments are disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 23:00:43 GMT -5
Sorry but there are MANY of us who rose up from the pit to get where we are now. You would be surprised. So you can let that go. Once you become an attorney high school is pretty much moot counselor. Listen we can go all night long on your attempt to insult me, I'm gamed. I'm in private practice, unlike you, I can and will work 60 to 80 hours a week just to win a point.
So you too are a high school drop out? NO you are not. You too jumped on a bus on your 17th birthday and join the Army? NO you did not, you are just a whiney insider that thinks you are entitled to a job. A pay raise, so that you still work a LAME ass 40 hours and think you are doing the world a favor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 23:03:16 GMT -5
Tigerlaw: You should be ashamed of yourself. Willfully twisting what Funky has said is bad enough, but your comments are disgusting. Strong first post, glad you joined the board!
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Post by Pro se on Apr 3, 2014 23:04:11 GMT -5
Get off the board, Tigerlaw. You need to take a time out.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 3, 2014 23:04:31 GMT -5
Resume battle...lol.
Tell me tiger, how you do so hot in law school when you clearly have the reading comprehension of a third grader? Neither I nor any other insider posting in this thread have ever argued that insiders deserve the job more than outsiders. But then, you clearly can't fathom the thought that someone without your exact background could possibly be better than you.
As for my history, well, I don't need to tout my litigation judicial or educational record to make me feel worthy. But, I am intrigued as to why someone claiming to be such an all world jury trial dominating litigator such as yourself would give up what must be a thrilling lucrative practice for a $120k a year gov gig. Baffles the mind. Let me guess, speeding ticket defense and dog bite cases aren't paying the bills?
Again, thanks for your service tigerlaw. You should be very proud of that and overcoming your dropping out of highschool. Congrats on your score as well. I don't wish anyone ill in their chances, but I also won't wish you good luck. I can honestly say, in my humble opinion, that from everyone on this board including aljfaq, your posts paint you as the type odar definitely doesn't need. And I can honestly say, if you get the job, you won't be there long before you realize its not the place for you either. Your glaring ego won't be able to stand the environment.
Maybe fate will ensure you stay a street hustler chasing down slip and falls, maybe that high score of yours will get you into another agency. But I have enough faith in the universe that odar will see you for what you are instead of whatever show you put on in the interview.
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