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Post by Pixie on Jan 31, 2008 17:05:13 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been reported as confirmed or only a rumor, but I can confirm it. If already confirmed, then please excuse the redundancy. I would have confirmed it yesterday, but couldn't get to my personal PC (I realize that phrase is redundant!).
After the hires of 150, there will be another class of 25 to start in the Fall. Mr. Astrue is aware of the problems in the past of hiring judges without the staff to support them and he says it will be different this time. Additional staff will be hired for the new judges.
The staff thing I would take with a grain of salt, but the additional class of 25 should actually happen. He didn't mention anything about another large hiring next fiscal year, that I remember. As I have said in the past, everything is subject to change. Hope this helps. If it has been previously confirmed, I didn't see it, but then I haven't had much time in the past few days to monitor the site. Pix.
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Post by jagghagg on Jan 31, 2008 17:10:20 GMT -5
Ok, now this is in THREE different threads.....
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Post by Pixie on Jan 31, 2008 17:17:46 GMT -5
Ok, now this is in THREE different threads..... As I said, if already confirmed, please excuse the redundancy. A hurried look through the threads didn't show it had been confirmed. Pixie. |
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Post by workdrone on Jan 31, 2008 17:31:55 GMT -5
As I said, if already confirmed, please excuse the redundancy. A hurried look through the threads didn't show it had been confirmed. Pixie. Pix, Your post is the first valid confirmation that there's going to be another class of 25 later this year. There are some unverified rumors posted in the Wild Wild West side that SSA wants to hire another 125-150 next year. But I'll believe it when I see the funding in the FY 2009 budget.  |
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Post by nightowl on Jan 31, 2008 18:51:32 GMT -5
I received confirmation this morning from a separate source that 25 more ALJs will be hired this year. As always, Pixie is right on! I was also told that if you selected all geographic locations and your score is between 65 and 70, you have a definite shot at being hired in this round (obvioulsy an educated guess). Apparently, SSA received quite a few declinations for interviews, and they were surprised by the number of people who declined the interview. I am not sure what this means as quite a few is open to interpretation. However, the bottom line is that if the cert. contained 400 people, then less than 400 people interviewed as there were other agency hires and declinations from people.
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Post by jagghagg on Jan 31, 2008 19:03:48 GMT -5
Apparently, SSA received quite a few declinations for interviews, and they were surprised by the number of people who declined the interview. Maybe I missed this, but I had not heard this before. I would expect a minimal amount of declinations for interview, seeing as the process merely for application was so intense and rapid. Has this been validated ? That there were quite a few interview declinations ? |
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Post by jagghagg on Jan 31, 2008 19:04:39 GMT -5
Oh, cripes - smote again! NOW what  ? |
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Post by nightowl on Jan 31, 2008 19:12:40 GMT -5
Your guess is as good as mine. |
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Post by dazedandconfused on Jan 31, 2008 19:46:11 GMT -5
Question for Pixie or anyone else out there in the know (or anyone willing to make an intelligent guess): is there any chance the additional 25 folks will be selected from those already interviewed? Meaning, is it possible they will decide who the 175 people they want are now, and start them in phases (April-May-June-July), and thus, be able to reach further down into the cert? Or, is it more likely that they will ask for a supplemental cert this spring (for new cities) and therefore most likely have to conduct additional interviews? I of course hope for the former, so rationalizations to butress that postion are welcome!
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Post by jagghagg on Jan 31, 2008 20:01:42 GMT -5
... is there any chance the additional 25 folks will be selected from those already interviewed? Meaning, is it possible they will decide who the 175 people they want are now, and start them in phases (April-May-June-July), and thus, be able to reach further down into the cert? Generally, a cert is requested for a defined and announced set of vacancies. That would mean that SSA would have to determine exactly how many they plan on hiring, have the manpower slots for them on their manning documents before requesting ANOTHER cert. Generally, they could not re-use the same cert for the "extra" 25 slots. (Besides, think how that would affect those whose appeals were granted and they have taken the WD and SI to get their score and be ranked on the roster.....) |
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Post by odarite on Jan 31, 2008 20:16:27 GMT -5
What I heard (from pretty high in the food chain) is that there will be a supplemental certificate. That means that there are likely to be cities on the cert not on the current cert. So those who were not invited to the dance this time may have another shot. Jagghagg (real or imaginary) is correct.
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Post by Pixie on Jan 31, 2008 20:24:21 GMT -5
I think they will get the 150 on board, let the dust clear, make decisions as to where the next 25 are needed the most, and request a certificate for those specific locations. As Jagg said, the same cert won't be used for the class of 25 starting in the Fall. Although many of the same names, who have already interviewed, will be on that certificate, if they have selected enough locations.
What I have heard is that fewer than 420 remain on the certificate for consideration this time around. Don't know if that has been reported or not. Also, the latest projection I heard is that after the 150 are hired, there will be only a net increase of a little more than 80 judges, after normal attrition is considered. Pix.
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Post by govtattorney on Jan 31, 2008 21:31:16 GMT -5
chris - you played the game well. did that myself back in the day. best of luck and btw - hope you have a high OPM score. ;D
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Post by tricia on Feb 3, 2008 22:11:48 GMT -5
Pixie, you said: "I think they will get the 150 on board, let the dust clear, make decisions as to where the next 25 are needed the most, and request a certificate for those specific locations. As Jagg said, the same cert won't be used for the class of 25 starting in the Fall. Although many of the same names, who have already interviewed, will be on that certificate, if they have selected enough locations."
Pixie, any chance that "let the dust settle" would include deciding the appeals which were filed in July of 2007?
Tricia
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Post by odarite on Feb 3, 2008 22:26:58 GMT -5
Pix has better sources, being more closely situated to the councils of the mighty, but I personally doubt it. I expect the register is still deep enough for another class of 25. And remember, SSA only asks for a certificate, which OPM is then required to deliver. The whole admission-to-the-register process is purely an OPM function on which SSA has essentially no input. Personally, I would participate in any appeal if offered, but would be prepared to submit a fresh application (using what I learned from this round) as soon as the register reopens - which I do expect to happen in 2008. I know it is annoying to think the appeals rights may be illusory, but wouldn't it be even more annoying to find you'd passed up the new app, your appeal was considered, and you lost?
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Post by Pixie on Feb 3, 2008 22:42:50 GMT -5
I agree with Odarite with one exception. I have heard that the register will reopen sometime this calendar year, but I don't think it will. I first heard it would be in the Spring, and then a little after that. To re open the register and go through the testing and scoring process is a lot of work and is labor intensive. OPM is similarly situated to the other agencies in that it is shorthanded. I personally think that they will draw this register down as far as they can before reopening. But that is just my opinion. What I have heard from various sources is different. Pix.
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Post by privateatty on Feb 4, 2008 8:57:28 GMT -5
I agree with Odarite with one exception. I have heard that the register will reopen sometime this calendar year, but I don't think it will. I first heard it would be in the Spring, and then a little after that. To re open the register and go through the testing and scoring process is a lot of work and is labor intensive. OPM is similarly situated to the other agencies in that it is shorthanded. I personally think that they will draw this register down as far as they can before reopening. But that is just my opinion. What I have heard from various sources is different. Pix. How far down is down? From here it looks up to me...(I digress)... |
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Post by tricia on Feb 4, 2008 10:02:40 GMT -5
Okay, Pixie and Odarite. Thanks for giving us your opinion on this. I mean, I hope that you're wrong, but it's always good to get an expert opinion. Tricia
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