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Post by privateatty on Jun 21, 2014 17:11:52 GMT -5
I'm not at all worried about being the "fallguy" (mental note: check netflix for The Fallguy.) As I see it, there's only two dangers in me passing along the information provided by others that wish to remain anonymous. 1 the info is wrong and people on here are upset. No biggie to me. In the end this is an anonymous internet message board. If you put too much faith in what you find on such....well thats on you. 2 the powers that be didnt want the info out. If so, sorry. It wasnt me that broke confidence and I hope my stalwart refusal to out any source or any source's source that requests anonymity (despite plenty of pm asking me who the source is) proves my firm commitment to keeping confidences. For what it's worth, as an insider I hear things all the time from folks that ask me not to say anything. Some of those are pretty outstanding, dumbfounding, very board shaking reports. But I dont post if I am.asked to keep it confidential. If I put it on the board, its only because someone asked me to or told me they didnt care if it got out. If they request anonymity, I honor that. I give no warranties on the info. What more can I do? If that leads to me being a fallguy....I can live with that. You are hardly a fall guy, funky. You obtain information and put it out there. Your post goes to the very heart of this Board. If Pixie, ALJ or ALJD come on the Board and offer a strong rumor, well, they have evaluated it (and the source) and are willing to put their name on it. Since this process is largely shrouded in secrecy and especially for outsiders is Byzantine to say the least, you and all else who post here with information are offering clarity in a fog of uncertainty. You are paying forward.
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Post by 71stretch on Jun 21, 2014 19:29:01 GMT -5
The only part of what red sox posted that I don't see actually happening on practice is the time it will take to make all the offers/ get all the acceptances. They won't need 30 days.
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Post by Highlander on Jun 21, 2014 19:48:48 GMT -5
I dont think it will take 30 days, but if the business rules allow folks up to 24 hours to mull over an offer it won't take too many people out of 90 who use all their allotted time for it to stretch into 2+ weeks, especially if they don't make offers on Saturday and Sunday.
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Post by 71stretch on Jun 22, 2014 12:38:51 GMT -5
Depends on how many even ask for time, to start with.
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Post by WhereIsTheFrontDoor on Jun 22, 2014 12:46:17 GMT -5
Exactly, Observer. "I accept" is my new version of "hello" for all out of town callers.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 22, 2014 13:24:13 GMT -5
my guess is 60% are like me and WTFD, will accept within 30 seconds of getting the offer. As long as that offer is to one of a recipient's top 3 to 5 cities, that number probably jumps up to 80%.
but there could be quite a few that get an offer for a city they ranked way down the list and take the full 24 hours to consider it. If that is 20%, thats 18 days right there.
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Post by almostheaven on Jun 22, 2014 18:26:10 GMT -5
So you make it through to recieve your NOR, make it to a cert, get a 'recommended' on your interview, get a call and accept -- then how long until they can pull the rug out from under you? In other words, do they do an immediate background check to see if you forgot to mention the time in the slammer and you will get kicked out within a week? two weeks? before you start at your designated location? before you go to training? (or, more importantly, before you tell your current employer you are leaving?) Shouldn't they have asked those 'key' questions before the offer?
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 22, 2014 22:31:00 GMT -5
What's odd to me, though, is how they could have 110 start as a group, considering the training limitations. If they put them into two groups, either one group would be trained this year or one group would start after 1/1. Or is there an alternative I'm missing? If budget allows, they can always contract out space - in fact, if they book all the trainees in the same hotel, they might get the training space, inexpensively/free - we do this in the US Army Reserve all the time.
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Post by bartleby on Jun 23, 2014 8:08:37 GMT -5
Almostheaven, I have seen them pull people out of training and the background checks were still going on after we went back to our offices after training. Best not to count on and little lies to be overlooked and walk away from your Burger King job.. It's pretty thorough as you can see on other posts on this cite. Better have an explanation for everytime you have crossed any borders..
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Post by bartleby on Jun 23, 2014 8:09:58 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, I got called on a Friday and waited until Tuesday to accept the offer.. I was holding out for that Supreme Court appointment..
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 23, 2014 8:27:57 GMT -5
Almostheaven, I have seen them pull people out of training and the background checks were still going on after we went back to our offices after training. Best not to count on and little lies to be overlooked and walk away from your Burger King job.. It's pretty thorough as you can see on other posts on this cite. Better have an explanation for everytime you have crossed any borders.. And I can't stress this enough - aside from the obvious stuff (which they were going to find out about, anyway, arrests, felonies, etc.) - your absolute best practice is to be 100% honest and forthright, and give your explanation in the forms. When asked about it with your investigator - again, be completely forthright and honest. That's the only way to smooth out any rough edges. Once the investigator gets the idea you've been dishonest - you've probably already lost the war.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 23, 2014 8:32:54 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, I got called on a Friday and waited until Tuesday to accept the offer.. I was holding out for that Supreme Court appointment.. And we see how that worked out Bart. No U.S. Supreme Court for you. I guess I don't understand the teeth gnashing and fear mongering regarding background checks for all those on the register since they are attorneys. The assumption is if you did something so horrible you might be found out in a background check, the odds are you would never have become an attorney in the first place or you would have been disbarred, if something was done of that nature. The fact someone received a speeding ticket fifteen years ago isn't going to preclude you from being an ALJ. Calm down and take a deep breath and let things work themselves out.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 23, 2014 11:06:49 GMT -5
I think the troubling thing is that something like a credit check which the Bar didn't ask me about could derail you. I doubt any of us are worried about credit score generally but now I have to admit I am wondering "what else will they look at....."
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Post by mch135 on Jun 23, 2014 11:46:46 GMT -5
I think it's the fear of going through the whole process, quitting your job, possibly moving to then have the offer rescinded because of something that came up on the background check.
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Post by redryder on Jun 23, 2014 13:43:01 GMT -5
When you are wondering about the time it takes to get the offers of jobs out and accepted, think back to some of the problems you had with other notifications during the testing process. The email did not get through for some reason or went to a spam folder. Similar problems will occur when offers go out. You indicate that you want to receive telephone calls on your cell phone on every form you completed. But the caller calls your house and leaves a message there. Or you want the call to go to your office but you are out when it comes in.
I was an insider. Could they call the ODAR office? No. Cell phone? No. How about that land line at the house? You bet even though no one was there to answer that phone. My dog is smart but he's no Lassie/Rin Tin Tin. He let it go to voice mail and went back to watching for the mail man/garbage truck/UPS delivery who may try to invade the premises. Thank goodness, the offer was not sent by Western Union telegram with a messenger boy. I would have never received it.
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Post by almostheaven on Jun 23, 2014 20:29:04 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand the teeth gnashing and fear mongering regarding background checks for all those on the register since they are attorneys. The assumption is if you did something so horrible you might be found out in a background check, the odds are you would never have become an attorney in the first place or you would have been disbarred, if something was done of that nature. The fact someone received a speeding ticket fifteen years ago isn't going to preclude you from being an ALJ. Calm down and take a deep breath and let things work themselves out.
Thanks for the responses -- I am taking that deep breath now. I have not had a background check - at least not to my knowledge - but I would have assumed all the checking would have been done before commitment were made. I'll just see if I can take a leave of absence from Burger King ....
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Post by westernalj on Jun 25, 2014 8:28:46 GMT -5
To me, mid-July is between 7/10 and 7/20. Which means they could start about 2 weeks from today. Could!
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 25, 2014 8:35:33 GMT -5
I would like to say the first group in the mid-September classroom training should receive notice beginning sometime the week of July 14th through July 18th, if they are to report to their ODAR locations four weeks in advance of classroom training. Four weeks notice prior to a new job is about right with some receiving a little less than that to start their new ALJ positions.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 25, 2014 9:35:56 GMT -5
If the intelligence regarding the alleged hiring committee meeting on or about July 7th is reliable, then it makes sense for the earliest offers to come between July 8th and July 25th - which would leave anywhere from 30 to 45 days for the early group to report.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 9:40:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the hiring decisions actually get made? Is there a group of non-ALJ people (Bob and his colleagues) who make hiring lists based on scores, GALs, interview summaries etc? Is there a group of ALJ's who make the decisions and give Bob the lists of hires? Does a sitting ALJ from Akron get to participate in deciding who will be given an offer for the Akron office?
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